RCMP "E" Division Broadcast reguarding Ruger 10/22 rifle magazines.

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Brianma65 said:
They're not saying they just became illegal , they're saying they became illegal when the charger was conceived . And they are now deciding to enforce that..How's that for FUBAR...
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God damn Charger !!! why the f**k did Ruger made it ? To sell a few thousand of Charger they screwed up several thousand of 10/22 and SR22 owners. They should have know the" big Bucks " at the RCMP woud use it a a meat bone to screw us up a some more !

Dammit !!!
 
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"They're not saying they just became illegal , they're saying they became illegal when the charger was conceived . And they are now deciding to enforce that..How's that for FUBAR"

This is it. They are saying that they have been illegal all this time. Nice of them to finally getting around and telling us. The lab has turned a blind eye to all of this for years.Thousands of these mags imported into the country and sold and now they mention they are illegal. As far as I am concerned they have abetted in the trafficking of 1000 of prohibited devices by their inaction and silence. I say the first to be charged should be the head of the lab.
 
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ericbrowning said:
As a Canadian gun owner I believe we potentially have a larger issue here than the 10-22 mags. At present we seem to have been set upon by a bureaucrat in the firearms office with an approach which is beyond what the CFR has previously administered. There is a lot of good information on this issue on the CALIBRE Magazine site. The reference "10-22 platform" has been brought in to their references. Where we are at is that a rifle magazine allows a pistol(?) to exceed it's 10 round limit*. If this goes through, what might happen where a pistol magazine allows a rifle (AR platform) to exceed 5 rounds? Might there be a reversal in how the Lar15 is looked at? IMHO the 10-22 is a trial ballon.
Personally I think that to impact 100s of thousands of .22 magazine owners which I think probably only have a plinking rifle and most likely not even a restricted firearm, because a very limited number(less than 500?) of Chargers is beyond stupid.

*We already can exceed 10 rounds via magazine substitution. Will this also get prohibited?

Will we have to pin .22 tube magazines to 10?
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I have heard several theories regarding this whole 10/22 magazine idea. Everything from 'testing the waters', to they intend to loose this 10/22 magazine issue in court to justify to the Minister of Public safety for a re-write of the magazine laws. or to get the term 'Dual-use' written into the laws as well. The 'Dual-use' terms scares me the most, I could see it applying to LAR pistol mags, XCR pistol mags and most worryingly being applied to pistol mags from Glock, Beretta, S&W and others due to the fact they fit in the many different pistol calibre carbines available.
 
Brianma65 said:
I think that not all the RCMP are to blame. The officers in the field probably don't share the same opinions as the CFP techs. They have a job and a Boss like most other people. I don't think it's right to lump them all together. Just my opinion though.
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You are right ! being myself an ex Law enforcement officer, I did not always aggreed with the laws I was enforcing. I had no choice to enforce them tough! As you can see I am no longer doing that job and there are several damn good reasons to it. WE ARE OVER REGULATED . Every little politician dreams about being the father/mother of a law to have their little glory time, but they dont care how many people and how their little glory will affect people . Sometimes there's Justice, Sometime there's just us !
 
Who knows what's next, maybe they'll go all in. Drop the ban hammer now. They have 3+ years for everyone to get over it. Kinda like history. Unless the existing laws get changed to more Common Sense, as was stated.
 
mileageman said:
I have heard several theories regarding this whole 10/22 magazine idea. Everything from 'testing the waters', to they intend to loose this 10/22 magazine issue in court to justify to the Minister of Public safety for a re-write of the magazine laws. or to get the term 'Dual-use' written into the laws as well. The 'Dual-use' terms scares me the most, I could see it applying to LAR pistol mags, XCR pistol mags and most worryingly being applied to pistol mags from Glock, Beretta, S&W and others due to the fact they fit in the many different pistol calibre carbines available.
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Well, focusing on the 10/22 gives the Liberals & RCMP lots of "bang for their buck". The gun and the mags are relatively cheap and widely owned. This nonsense impacts a large number of gun owners. And look at how easy it was! One tech's opinion becomes the de facto "law of the land". And now the police are grabbing the personal property of law-abiding citizens. (And this is tyranny. And it is scary. It is also scary that many Canadians are quite delighted with such treatment of gun owners.)

Magazine capacity limits are popular with the public b/c if you know nothing about firearms, and how mag-limits are achieved, then it sounds quite convincing. Of course the Libs are going to try to capitalize on that and use it against firearms owners. They know they can't realistically disarm us completely, so they'll use every trick in the book to erode our rights and liberties, and make firearms ownership as sh1tty and unappealing as possible.

The draconian actions of our national police force and federal government will not be confined to the Ruger 10/22 and its magazines.
 
We shall get all together and sue them for having misled us all those years and now that we have invested all that $$$ they decide to enforce the law and make all of us criminals !
 
The part that makes me mad about this isn't even the RCMP's BS. It's the owners of these mags lining up to buy rivets! Bah bah baaaahhhhhhhhhhh. Jesus. That's why the horse cops can get away with this garbage.
 
A quick note, I just left a local store, which is in 'E' Div, and they have not been informed by the BC CFO of any changes. So, if the RCMP is sending out "advice" to the police, but the CFO isn't sending out "advice" to the stores - who do you believe? I notice also that the advice to police is not to pursue this as a stand alone charge, why not? It is a prohib device, right? Mandatory minimum? What they're really saying is "for God's sake, don't make us try to defend this crap in court, tack it onto something with teeth so we can throw this one out as part of an attempt to get a better deal". I guess this is why civilized countries don't let the police make law.
 
Might as well make turbo chargers on vehicles illegal since many people have died as a result of being hit with a vehicle that had a turbo in it. The logic used to came up with this mag ban escapes me.
 
ericrose said:
Might as well make turbo chargers on vehicles illegal since many people have died as a result of being hit with a vehicle that had a turbo in it. The logic used to came up with this mag ban escapes me.
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It's a disarmament agenda, plain & simple. Over time they will chip away at our freedoms & the next thing you know you'll turn around & no law abiding citizen will be in possession of firearms.

Sad state of affairs if you ask me.

Jay
 
Jay said:
It's a disarmament agenda, plain & simple. Over time they will chip away at our freedoms & the next thing you know you'll turn around & no law abiding citizen will be in possession of firearms.

Sad state of affairs if you ask me.

Jay
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Very much agreed. The death of our "priviledge" by a 1000 cuts. Because what sheep needs a gun nowadays? Our massive bureaucracy will save you provided you keep paying your taxes...& some.
 
Just checked Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462)

Were still good for at least another 2 weeks. That's how often they update the regulations. Those are official and usable in court. if anyone has an issue get your lawyer to sate time stamp the regulations. Funny how all rimfire cartridges do not apply. be curious if any case law surrounding rimfire mag limits exist.
 
radmacks said:
Just checked Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (SOR/98-462)

Were still good for at least another 2 weeks. That's how often they update the regulations. Those are official and usable in court. if anyone has an issue get your lawyer to sate time stamp the regulations. Funny how all rimfire cartridges do not apply. be curious if any case law surrounding rimfire mag limits exist.
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There is no change to the regulation. No change by the RCMP (not that they could). No change by the Liberals. No change.

The RCMP is interpreting that Part 4, 3(1)(b) about handguns applies to these, and trumps 3(2)(a)(i) about rimfire.



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Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted SOR/98-462
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/FullText.html
 
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