RCMP "E" Division Broadcast reguarding Ruger 10/22 rifle magazines.

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If you will pardon the pun, it certainly seems like "E" Division was jumping the gun. It would appear that no other RCMP Division have said anything, we as a buisnesa have recieved no notifications at all. All very suspicious, I think this was a set up to get a court ruling in order to set a precedent, a very dangerous move from our prospective .
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Yes I think that makes sense.

Keeping the issue relatively localized prevents (or was hoped to prevent) a **** storm but create opportunity to lay a precedent setting charge against some poor cornered sucker then roll the rest of us up using that.

The mag in a Charger would have been ideal.
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
First, thanks for your efforts here on all our behalves.

With that said, do you, or anyone else here, know if it has ever been considered, or even suggested, that they simply prohibit the use of these magazines in pistols? It seems like a (dare I say it...) logical approach to take. There are apparently over a million of these 25-round mags, (now add the 50 and 110 rd drums), owned by likely tens of thousands of licenced, law-abiding citizens. Instead criminalizing everyone overnight, or expecting them to go to the expense and hassle of pinning them, why not publish an OIC stating that; "the use of any "dual use" (as they call them...) mags with a capacity of more than 10 rounds in a pistol is prohibited." (and anyone caught violating this order will be shot and pissed on, jailed for life, yadda, yadda, yadda...)

There... problem solved.
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That is "Perfect Logic"....vis-a-vis....it must at all costs be ignored.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
I might consider it, but I have very little faith in petitions. What disturbs me is the fact that our firearms community as a whole runs scared of authority, gun owners and dealers fail to understand our system or how the law works. If the CFO says jump everyone replies "How high?" instead of replying "Why?"

When it was rumoured that the CZ 858 was going to be made prohibited I had customers chop them up and then demand I compensate them?

Look at this current nonsense, all this panic because of a document from the RCMP which I suspect has no legal standing? If we allow ourselves to be bullied like this why bother with a petition, take the facts and go meet your MP, now if we all did that?

Currently I hear of dealers taking these mags off their shelves! Why? Did they ask to see any new regulation or OIC in writing? Why is the importer not bringing in more mags?

As for our shooting organisations? Words fail me! It makes me weep sometimes at the lack of education and unity amongst us all.
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Well said.

I don't care how many times this has been quoted, because it needs to be drilled into the head of every Canadian gun owner, and it bears repeating.

Too many people here are already talking about PVC piping and shovels, when the fight hasn't even begun. I am under no illusion. Our rights and way of life have been under assault by successive liberal and even conservative governments, this one is no different and may even be the worst. This is still a democracy, the last time I checked. The establishment wants us disarmed, and they have us outgunned, but we have them outnumbered.

Start letter writing, get on social media with your opinions, facts, and statistics. Change enough minds and make enough noise, and this will be checked.
 
enefgee said:
Here's a fun thought - why don't we all pick a day and call the firearms centre and ask, one by one, if our guns, magazines and accessories are still legal, and then ask for them to put it in writing and mail it to us? It's certainly not an offense to be certain of the legal status of the firearms and accessories we own, and it's good practice (due diligence)to get it in writing. It's also a sure and certain way to send a message that the current system is a bad joke, which endangers our civil rights and would very certainly cause the system to grind to a ranking full stop. It could also be repeated as necessary until the message was clearly heard.
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In response to the first thread on the topic days ago, i restated my idea of passive protest by drowning the powers that be with lawfulness. This is right up that alley. Absolutely drown the duckers with compliance, to the point of not being able to have a line open to call out from compliance inquirys, and spending half their day reading snail and emails about compliance.
 
Apparently there is another email that was sent to Chiefs across the country. In this memo it states these mags have been banned since 2008 and unscrupulous businessss have been importing them illigally ever since............

We really need to get our hands on that email! Freedom of information request anyone?
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Apparently there is another email that was sent to Chiefs across the country. In this memo it states these mags have been banned since 2008 and unscrupulous businessss have been importing them illigally ever since............

We really need to get our hands on that email! Freedom of information request anyone?
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I agree we need to get all the ammunition for our magazines, pardon the pun, but yah I agree full, get all the info to fire back at them
 
Tyler said:
Well said.

I don't care how many times this has been quoted, because it needs to be drilled into the head of every Canadian gun owner, and it bears repeating.

Too many people here are already talking about PVC piping and shovels, when the fight hasn't even begun. I am under no illusion. Our rights and way of life have been under assault by successive liberal and even conservative governments, this one is no different and may even be the worst. This is still a democracy, the last time I checked. The establishment wants us disarmed, and they have us outgunned, but we have them outnumbered.

Start letter writing, get on social media with your opinions, facts, and statistics. Change enough minds and make enough noise, and this will be checked.
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I agree that shovel and shut up should not be the first course of action (COA), but it is a valid 2nd or 3rd COA.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but why is the Charger even classified as a Restricted Handgun? Why not a Restricted rifle? The Kel-Tec PLR-16 is classified as a rifle but "marketed" as a pistol...

Could be maybe just have someone challenge the classification of the Charger?

I may be missing something obvious here though, probably something that I've just forgotten about in regards to classification "standards" (laugh).
 
Xero said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but why is the Charger even classified as a Restricted Handgun? Why not a Restricted rifle? The Kel-Tec PLR-16 is classified as a rifle but "marketed" as a pistol...

Could be maybe just have someone challenge the classification of the Charger?

I may be missing something obvious here though, probably something that I've just forgotten about in regards to classification "standards" (laugh).
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Be carefull what you wish for! We must all keep the overall picture in mind and be carefull not to throw some gun owners under the bus in order to try and save others. We have center fire Handguns that fire "rifle caliber" shells that give us 10 rd mags for AR15 type rifles.
We need to treat this whole issue like a game of chess and think each move through carefully as the current issue is only the opening move.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
If you are talking about my first post? Yes, you most welcome, please note I had an error which I only just corrected.

If you will pardon the pun, it certainly seems like "E" Division was jumping the gun. It would appear that no other RCMP Division have said anything, we as a buisness have received no notifications at all. All very suspicious, I think this was a set up to get a court ruling in order to set a precedent, a very dangerous move from our prospective .
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Wait for it...

National Press – Manitoba

In a move that has stunned the legal world and confused motorists everywhere, the RCMP has classified cars as “deadly weapons”. RCMP officers from ‘D’ division in Winnipeg this past weekend charged a man with “Possession of a Weapon for a Dangerous Purpose” (CCC sec 88.1). The “weapon” was his car. An anonymous source at the Superior Court in Winnipeg reports that the Mounties were forced to use the unusual tactic to arrest a local alleged drug lord they have been chasing for years. Undercover officers watched his driveway until he got into his car then pounced, making the arrest and laying the single, controversial charge. “They just couldn’t get him”, the unnamed court source told NP, “they were chasing him for years, but he was clever and never made mistakes. So they looked to their fellow officers out west in ‘E’ division and said ‘if they can bend the law, so can we”.

This is in reference to the recent memo out of RCMP ‘E’ division in BC where the Mounties, along with the national Firearms Program, arbitrarily banned a specific type of ammunition clip used in .22 caliber assault rifles. There is apparently no actual law to support the move, and as the clips are very popular, this has caused a stir in the shooting community, with some even going so far as to threatening to sign a petition. CSAAA has released a statement that advises their members to “sit quietly, do nothing and wait”, while advising retailers to give in to questionable directive and pull thousands of dollars of inventory off their shelves and sit on it.

The RCMP so far has no official comment, but an officer close to the investigation told NP “Sometimes we have to stretch the law a bit to get the job done, but it’s for a good reason. Our job is to protect the citizens of this country. The only people we're really affecting here are gun owners and everyone knows they don't count. Can you imagine what a terrorist might do with more than 10 rounds of .22 ammo? We must think of the children.”

The accused preliminary hearing is expected next month.

- NP Staff
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This will get worse before it gets better.
 
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LuckyLuc82 said:
Apparently there is another email that was sent to Chiefs across the country. In this memo it states these mags have been banned since 2008 and unscrupulous businessss have been importing them illigally ever since............

We really need to get our hands on that email! Freedom of information request anyone?
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If true, sounds like a pathetic, sleazy attempt at justifying another overzealous rcmp screw up.
 
Unscrupulous businesses, Bass Pro, Cabelas, Canadian Tire and all the rest.

Do they honestly believe the things they type ?

I guess CBSA, Canada post And the RCMP at the mail sorting stations are all complicit in allowing the goods into the country since 2008
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
First, thanks for your efforts here on all our behalves.

With that said, do you, or anyone else here, know if it has ever been considered, or even suggested, that they simply prohibit the use of these magazines in pistols? It seems like a (dare I say it...) logical approach to take. There are apparently over a million of these 25-round mags, (now add the 50 and 110 rd drums), owned by likely tens of thousands of licenced, law-abiding citizens. Instead criminalizing everyone overnight, or expecting them to go to the expense and hassle of pinning them, why not publish an OIC stating that; "the use of any "dual use" (as they call them...) mags with a capacity of more than 10 rounds in a pistol is prohibited." (and anyone caught violating this order will be shot and pissed on, jailed for life, yadda, yadda, yadda...)

There... problem solved.
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Which also ends the use of XCR mags in rifles, through the same logic.

Though it is indeed a sound argument - you cannot have it both ways, however.
 
Mark-II said:
Which also ends the use of XCR mags in rifles, through the same logic.

Though it is indeed a sound argument - you cannot have it both ways, however.
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Well they did say they were going to start looking into the "magazine issue" after Trudeau said he was going to undo what harper did...
 
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