RCMP making their own rules again..

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This is in reference to New Umarex Cowboy. And one dealer inquiring to the RCMP tech on its legal status. Guess there is a rat dealer that made the RCMP make it NR. Since it was over 500 FPS, but NOT 4.2 fpe. Their for legal.

RCMP Created an FRT #195110 and categorized it as Non-Restricted on request of another dealer.

Their tech didn't want to change it but is willing to add a variant if Umarex certifies that there will be one that will shoot below 500 fps. I tried to talk to him about joules and velocity combination but was told it is "either-OR" not "and". By that logic 2240 should be Restricted as it can shoot a 14.3gr pellet at 430-440 fps
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But funny thing. The criminal code says otherwise.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm

1. Air guns that are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The "muzzle velocity" is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The "muzzle energy" is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.
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Buster95 said:
The over 500 FPS is a real joke. You can buy a flintlock rifle without any PAL
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Not unless its an antique.

MikeD81 said:
Luckily my flintlock pistol however is still restricted. I guess piracy is still a concern.-_-
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restricted or not if its an antique no license is required.

What many people forget is that a few years ago there was a supreme court ruling that effectively change the law so that virtually egery pellet gun, paintball gun and airsoft gun met the definition of firearm.

A fact conveniently ignored by the RCMP when it suits them.
 
silverfoxdj said:
I wonder if they would divulge the dealer on an access to information request.. if it was a request at all
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Wouldn't need to... Only couple dealers were bringing these in. ( distributor was under the impression it was sub 500 ) Couple other dealers, The same.. Was only one that make a stink about how they are PAL rated. So the airgun version of JR.

handofzeus said:
Somehow the status of some objects changes when used to commit a crime. A sub 500fps airgun is unregulated until used in a robbery, then it magically becomes a firearm.
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Because someone questioned a dealer about the legal status of these airguns ( how they don't break the FPE standard ) He went on a rant how hes a firearm dealer, he knows what hes doing. And they're PAL. Rated end of story. So sounds like he got spiteful, and demanded that the RCMP make them Non Restricted. Because only broke one of two standards.

But clear cut that they need to be over. So got a rat dealer, and RCMP interpreting the rules how he see fit.

Could wee keep this to Airguns. Not muzzleloaders or antiques.?
 
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OkayShooter said:
Wouldn't need to... Only couple dealers were bringing these in. ( distributor was under the impression it was sub 500 ) Couple other dealers, The same.. Was only one that make a stink about how they are PAL rated. So the airgun version of JR.



Because someone questioned a dealer about the legal status of these airguns ( how they don't break the FPE standard ) He went on a rant how hes a firearm dealer, he knows what hes doing. And they're PAL. Rated end of story. So sounds like he got spiteful, and demanded that the RCMP make them Non Restricted. Because only broke one of two standards.

But clear cut that they need to be over. So got a rat dealer, and RCMP interpreting the rules how he see fit.

Could wee keep this to Airguns. Not muzzleloaders or antiques.?
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So which dealers are bringing these in ?
I'm just getting into airguns, I will probably spend too much money ( OK, I will spend too much money), but I sure don't want to give it to the wrong person...
 
The dastardly C71 contempt of parliament laws were removed from their website about a week after I emailed and called in to my PC MP Peter Van Loan (retired) and wrote and called into the RCMP to complain.. there are minutes to the effect in parliament on May 29th 2018 to that effect as well. (was it just me or a chorus of us I don't know but don't be afraid of these goons)

I suggest following the same route.... We live in a constitutional elected democracy according to our constitution and we can not allow the RCMP to usurp that power to create law. Precedent in firearms law could and will expand the rest of civil life is allowed.
 
I filed a ATIP, got this..

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