RCMP Model 70

Getting a rifle to group 1" and under at 100yd isn't that hard these days but the WM70 action and rifle does it in such a classic and stout way it's hard to argue against the price. Personally I'm a fan of the Ruger 77 MKII action, just hate that trigger.

Colquhoun: Very interested in your 5R's. Care to share some anicdotes about the rifles? How close would you say they are to the M24 system?

They are fine rifles and shoot very well...1/2 at 100 yrds is common with good ammo and good shooter. But as you mentioned, most manufacturers can produce a rifle that does this these days especially in .308. The 5R's have the jeweled bolt which runs a little smoother than the standard bolt which is nice. The HS stock is good to go, although bedding is always an improvement. If I were to recommend an out of the box shooter, it's always the 5R based on value, reputation, and availibility. I have yet to see one in .308 or .223 that is not a shooter, and now they are available in .300 WM.
It is not an M24 in any way though other than sharing the 5R rifling design. 5 groove rifling can be had in various forms from several barrel manufacturers but is just a design. My Winchester is a 4 groove barrel and shoots great, and lots of 6 groove barrels are still used wih huge success. Part of the theory of odd number grooves is that the bullet is never 'pinched' between two lands so it's less stress on the bullet and therefore slightly less drag supporting some claims of additional velocity.
If Winchester expands their product line to these types of rifles, I beleive them to be better, however the lack of aftermarket
parts would limit their popularity. Few choices in bottom metal, and the new MOA triggers have no alternative. I called Jewel to inquire about a replacement and they currently have no plans for one. Remington on the other hand is the small block Chevy with lots of parts available to suit the individual.
 
They are fine rifles and shoot very well...1/2 at 100 yrds is common with good ammo and good shooter. But as you mentioned, most manufacturers can produce a rifle that does this these days especially in .308. The 5R's have the jeweled bolt which runs a little smoother than the standard bolt which is nice. The HS stock is good to go, although bedding is always an improvement. If I were to recommend an out of the box shooter, it's always the 5R based on value, reputation, and availibility. I have yet to see one in .308 or .223 that is not a shooter, and now they are available in .300 WM.
It is not an M24 in any way though other than sharing the 5R rifling design. 5 groove rifling can be had in various forms from several barrel manufacturers but is just a design. My Winchester is a 4 groove barrel and shoots great, and lots of 6 groove barrels are still used wih huge success. Part of the theory of odd number grooves is that the bullet is never 'pinched' between two lands so it's less stress on the bullet and therefore slightly less drag supporting some claims of additional velocity.
If Winchester expands their product line to these types of rifles, I beleive them to be better, however the lack of aftermarket
parts would limit their popularity. Few choices in bottom metal, and the new MOA triggers have no alternative. I called Jewel to inquire about a replacement and they currently have no plans for one. Remington on the other hand is the small block Chevy with lots of parts available to suit the individual.

I believe that if you check with Sinclair you'll find they have a Jewel trigger for the 70. Item AJ05 if you are interested.
 
I have read that the 5R is constructed from "seconds" barrels from the M24 program. I have no information to validate this though, so it may just be internet noise.

I'm interested that you would bed the 5R as I thought they were already bedded by Rem? I will be getting one in .300WM as I'm already set for match dies, etc. Are yours threaded for a brake/flash sup.? I've only seen stainless barrels for them but would very much prefer a blued action/barrel.

I agree that the WM70 would be a superior platform for a sniper/milspec system. Org. confidence in them is especially low due to the troubles Winchester has had due to various owners.
 
The "old" Winchester triggers are very good and easily tuned. The new MOA trigger is clean, but a little heavy and can only be adjusted down so far. Some spring options would even be welcome for the new trigger design.
 
I have read that the 5R is constructed from "seconds" barrels from the M24 program. I have no information to validate this though, so it may just be internet noise.

I'm interested that you would bed the 5R as I thought they were already bedded by Rem? I will be getting one in .300WM as I'm already set for match dies, etc. Are yours threaded for a brake/flash sup.? I've only seen stainless barrels for them but would very much prefer a blued action/barrel.

I agree that the WM70 would be a superior platform for a sniper/milspec system. Org. confidence in them is especially low due to the troubles Winchester has had due to various owners.

My first centerfire firearm was a Winchester M70 in 243WSM. I still have it. I do like the Winchester M70. The quality is there. That being said, the ones I've shot don't shoot with the 5R. The 5R is superior to the winchester Stealth II (Their tactical rifle) for accuracy. Noticeably so.

As for the 5R and reject M24 barrels. Maybe the first few. After that I suspect the M24 tooling was used to make the barrels for the 5R. These days Remington offers consumer catalog products with 5R rifling which means the new 5R barrels may now be done on this process instead of the M24. This is just speculation. But it might explain why the 5R rifles I've shot are all from about 4-5 years ago and have been easily sub .5 moa. With sub .4 moa being common. While a lot of the new reports put them at +/- .5 moa.
 
The "Crown" doesn't sell any government issue firearms. They melt them! They may trade in the Model 70's to a police supply, but I wouldn't bet on it!!
 
Question, If ther are phasing out the rifles, are the destroying them? It would be unfortunate if they do.

Yes very unfortunate but they don't sell them. At my last detachment I'm pretty sure there were a couple of pre 64 Winchester M70 rifles in the racks for our duty rifles as well.
 
They are fine rifles and shoot very well...1/2 at 100 yrds is common with good ammo and good shooter. But as you mentioned, most manufacturers can produce a rifle that does this these days especially in .308. The 5R's have the jeweled bolt which runs a little smoother than the standard bolt which is nice. The HS stock is good to go, although bedding is always an improvement. If I were to recommend an out of the box shooter, it's always the 5R based on value, reputation, and availibility. I have yet to see one in .308 or .223 that is not a shooter, and now they are available in .300 WM.
It is not an M24 in any way though other than sharing the 5R rifling design. 5 groove rifling can be had in various forms from several barrel manufacturers but is just a design. My Winchester is a 4 groove barrel and shoots great, and lots of 6 groove barrels are still used wih huge success. Part of the theory of odd number grooves is that the bullet is never 'pinched' between two lands so it's less stress on the bullet and therefore slightly less drag supporting some claims of additional velocity.
If Winchester expands their product line to these types of rifles, I beleive them to be better, however the lack of aftermarket
parts would limit their popularity. Few choices in bottom metal, and the new MOA triggers have no alternative. I called Jewel to inquire about a replacement and they currently have no plans for one. Remington on the other hand is the small block Chevy with lots of parts available to suit the individual.

I believe that if you check with Sinclair you'll find they have a Jewel trigger for the 70. Item AJ05 if you are interested.

Just came from the Timney site and they too are now offering a replacement for the MOA trigger.
 
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