only with the verification details ie FRT# and verifier number / name.
Re activating forgotten target pistol
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There would be (and have been in the past) a significant number of supposed gun owners on this site arguing that both were crucial to public safety and shouldn't be eliminated. I bet 20+% of the members of this site think licensing serves a public safety purpose and shouldn't be eliminated.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of how to register an off the books handgun...
Mark
Thanks for that, I appreciate everyone's patience with my skepticism with "my friends in the system"
Did the licencing entity require a bill of sale from the sellers at the garage sale? Did they follow up and/or hunt down the vendors at the garage sale and question them where they acquired the gun or threaten them with legal action regarding this unbelievably illegal sale?
Your buddy was just able to licence this found gun with no history and an acquisition story like that?
Sounds too easy ....
- Location
- Manitoulin Island
If it is registered under the old "green card" system prior to the new one that should simplify things even more.
There is no LEGAL way to use it, but there are many gun owners that would simply buy it off the books and use it without any paperwork attached. That is up to your own personal sense of morality/ethics and your risk tolerance related to the extremely unlikely but potentially disastrous event of being found out with an unregistered restricted firearm.
Any gun owner who has been around for a while knows that the bureaucracy and government agents in it are dangerous to an individual's lifestyle. I don't think I know any gun owners that are at all worried about criminals or the ridiculous boogeyman of terrorism, but a large number are concerned about the actions of our government. You are right to be concerned about screwing up any contact with them.
I don't doubt the story. The firearms authorities don't much care about how they get a gun into the system, just that they do. Their goal is civilian disarmament and guns that are not in the system greatly increase the difficulty of confiscation when the day comes. The two non-restricteds I registered were my ex-FIL's guns. He never had a license and they were completely unknown to the government. I simply told them they were family heirlooms (similar to your friend's revolver) and that I wanted to make them legal. No questions about their provenance were asked.
Mark
- Location
- Behind a large rock
I've registered a few garage sale guns... no issue. And no they didn't even ask about an ATT.
It really isn't hard. Remember "they" want all guns on "the list".
Just brought Dad's MK1 in from the Dark. They were cool about it, no problem at all.
Cheers and good luck
What is an MK1 ?
Maybe you don't understand my legitimate questions in that post - I'm not sure how I could make it more clear. I am just moving slowly, as I said previously I would be pissed if I were to lose this pistol to a wrong step.
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- Location
- Behind a large rock
If you're truely interested in (re)registering this gun send me a message and I'll help you get it done.
Neither the American or Canadian system is perfect.
In the USA you need to fill out 4473's and go through FFL's except for face to face transactions in some states.
In Canada we have the Restricted/Prohibited classifications and licensing.
I'll take a license where I can show it to a seller and walk out with, or have mailed directly to my door a firearm with no paperwork over 4473's and FFL intervention.
In a perfect world there would be no criminals, no paperwork, and we could all walk around with F/A suppressed SBR's without anyone batting an eye.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
I don't blame you. Unfortunately some people have their tinfoil on too tight.
The most important thing is being sure that the barrel length is over 405 mm and the caliber is .22 and NOT .25 or .32.
The rest shouldn't be a problem.
I'll take your advise .... "Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."
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So as a follow up, I will post my results so it may help some.
I know that I am skeptical and suspicious of bureaucracy but I come by it honestly.
My concerns were that once I made the call and got the wheels turning that technically this firearm would be known to be unregistered, and therefore illegally possessed by myself until the registration was approved. I don't understand how this can be allowed and police not be notified and enthusiastically sent to seize this dangerous weapon until all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed - and then I may or may not get it back. But it seems to be the common thought is that they are not being heavy handed in these cases to encourage folks to comply, but at the cost of looking the other way when it come to breaking the law? It seems unlikely to me with the hysteria about firearms these days but there you are.
To recap, I do not have the required licences yet but have a close friend and neighbor who has all licences and is on the executive of the local gun club. I wanted to gift it to him and give it into his possession.
Anyway ...... Mar 8, I called the RCMP registration 1 800 #. Spoke to a lady, I had to verbally confirm owner/birth date etc.
Surprisingly to me they still had on file all of the original owners registration info from 1953. This info was immediately accessed, it is surprising how efficient that can be when they feel like it.
I received a reference # and she advised me to complete form 6016 [Declaration of Authority to Act on Behalf of an Estate] and fax to them along with a copy of the provincial death cert.
This caused me some concern, the death was over 30 years ago and in another province. I was able to find a "Funeral Directors Statement of Death", it is an official document "under seal", so I sent that with fingers crossed. If I had to acquire the actual death cert, being out of province it would have been a process involving costs, a notary and a bunch of hurdles that I am not good with.
My friend was also required fax a copy of his licences etc using the reference #.
I was to check back in a 1 1/2 - 2 weeks.
I called on Mar 29, and spoke to another woman. I again was asked original owner the ID questions, and when I offered the reference # she seemed confused about that. After some conversation I was advised that it had been approved, it had taken a bit longer because this application had to go before a board for some reason.
Apr 4 we each received our respective approvals. My friend then applied for the physical transfer permit and picked it up today.
The process was, as suggested here would be, pretty painless.
So thank you all who advised and indulged me.
I know that I am skeptical and suspicious of bureaucracy but I come by it honestly.
My concerns were that once I made the call and got the wheels turning that technically this firearm would be known to be unregistered, and therefore illegally possessed by myself until the registration was approved. I don't understand how this can be allowed and police not be notified and enthusiastically sent to seize this dangerous weapon until all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed - and then I may or may not get it back. But it seems to be the common thought is that they are not being heavy handed in these cases to encourage folks to comply, but at the cost of looking the other way when it come to breaking the law? It seems unlikely to me with the hysteria about firearms these days but there you are.
To recap, I do not have the required licences yet but have a close friend and neighbor who has all licences and is on the executive of the local gun club. I wanted to gift it to him and give it into his possession.
Anyway ...... Mar 8, I called the RCMP registration 1 800 #. Spoke to a lady, I had to verbally confirm owner/birth date etc.
Surprisingly to me they still had on file all of the original owners registration info from 1953. This info was immediately accessed, it is surprising how efficient that can be when they feel like it.
I received a reference # and she advised me to complete form 6016 [Declaration of Authority to Act on Behalf of an Estate] and fax to them along with a copy of the provincial death cert.
This caused me some concern, the death was over 30 years ago and in another province. I was able to find a "Funeral Directors Statement of Death", it is an official document "under seal", so I sent that with fingers crossed. If I had to acquire the actual death cert, being out of province it would have been a process involving costs, a notary and a bunch of hurdles that I am not good with.
My friend was also required fax a copy of his licences etc using the reference #.
I was to check back in a 1 1/2 - 2 weeks.
I called on Mar 29, and spoke to another woman. I again was asked original owner the ID questions, and when I offered the reference # she seemed confused about that. After some conversation I was advised that it had been approved, it had taken a bit longer because this application had to go before a board for some reason.
Apr 4 we each received our respective approvals. My friend then applied for the physical transfer permit and picked it up today.
The process was, as suggested here would be, pretty painless.
So thank you all who advised and indulged me.
