Re : Canadian obsession with an American Rifle

[vermintrex]

why did soldiers start to "ping" an empty clip off the action ?...cause the Japanese would expose themselves to fire as the enemy had just emptied....maybe that was the advantage ?

talk to the Enfield guys about rate of fire...marginal if not immeasurable practical difference....you need to include selective before it really has an impact.

why don't all modern military firearms "ping" ?

just curious

 

[sledge]

A trained riflemen could reload the M1 faster than an Enfield or K98 on stripper clip. If Fritz decided to charge after hearing that ping - he'd be dead after his second step.
The point about the ping reminding the shooter to reload also has some benefit to his fire team partner knowing it too. No way to tell that if your section had Enfields or K98s, except shouting "reloading!".
Patton called it the greatest implement for battle ever devised. Hard to argue with that kind of compliment.

 

[purple]

The record of the Garand rifle in WW2 and Korea conclusively proved the advantages of a semi-auto vs bolt rifle for the infantry. Every nation that could afford it was quick to re-arm with a semi-auto at the earliest opportunity thereafter. The M14 was an evolutionary refinement of the Garand that featured a 20 rd detachable mag.

 

[Rust]

It is a great rifle that changed the standard for every soldiers rifle after it. I also really like the Kar 98, Lee Enfield, Mosin Nagant, Arisaka etc etc. Has nothing to do with nationality. I just like really well designed rifles with a history. The rarest of anything is usually highly desired.

 

[vermintrex]

A trained riflemen could reload the M1 faster than an Enfield or K98 on stripper clip. If Fritz decided to charge after hearing that ping - he'd be dead after his second step.
The point about the ping reminding the shooter to reload also has some benefit to his fire team partner knowing it too. No way to tell that if your section had Enfields or K98s, except shouting "reloading!".
Patton called it the greatest implement for battle ever devised. Hard to argue with that kind of compliment.

Patton called an american rifle that was used by his troops,produced by his country...and thought he was the reincarnation of Alexander the Great .... the greatest implement ever devised ?

wow, that's not's totally expected.

he also slapped a soldier in the face that was having a nervous breakdown

 

[Brutus]

Patton called an american rifle that was used by his troops,produced by his country...and thought he was the reincarnation of Alexander the Great .... the greatest implement ever devised ?

wow, that's not's totally expected.

he also slapped a soldier in the face that was having a nervous breakdown

Sure he did all those things you mentioned.
But the German intelligence network were obsessed with his activity pre-D-Day.
Should I mention he was a hard charging leader often found on the frontlines of combat?

He was on our side BTW. I for one, am very glad he was not a German citizen.

You should be too.

 

[vermintrex]

Sure he did all those things you mentioned.
But the German intelligence network were obsessed with his activity pre-D-Day.
Should I mention he was a hard charging leader often found on the frontlines of combat?

He was on our side BTW. I for one, am very glad he was not a German citizen.

You should be too.

fair enough....and I do have a great respect for Patton...he was a necessary tool for the 2 years he was effective. I wouldn't change a thing considering the favourable outcome.

It's insular and stupid to not have a critical eye...Churchill was a political genius, maybe one of the greatest wartime leaders ever....was he a racist xenophobe...yes. Would I want him to lead my country during a time of war...yes. Doesn't mean that if he claimed the Sten was the best wartime implement ever devised that I would believe it.

 

[Brutus]

fair enough....and I do have a great respect for Patton...he was a necessary tool for the 2 years he was effective. I wouldn't change a thing considering the favourable outcome.

It's insular and stupid to not have a critical eye...Churchill was a political genius, maybe one of the greatest wartime leaders ever....was he a racist xenophobe...yes. Would I want him to lead my country during a time of war...yes. Doesn't mean that if he claimed the Sten was the best wartime implement ever devised that I would believe it.

Vermintrex, nothing obviously can be said here, that has not already been mentioned is worth my time and effort to repeat on this subject at hand.

Myself I'm going to bow out of this debate and let others banter with you.

Have a good evening sir!

 

[Turkeygun]

So, near as I can tell, we all love m1 Garands. Except for me, that is. The highest proponent of the rifle, near as I can tell, is Gunny. He sings its accolades in a wonderful accent - love songs always sound better with an accent of some sort. The problem that I have with the M1-ophiles on this thread and elsewhere is their nationality. This is CGN, not the NRA-North. Surely we have better examples (and nearer and dearer to our hearts) of Canadian military engineering that far surpass the quality of the M1.

My suggestions for future CGN obsessions are the Ross (any version, although I've heard the .280 factory Sporter was to die for) or the FN products (C1A1 in particular; if anyone has one I'd love to see it). These rifles deserve our attention as well - and you sure as heckfire don't have to pay $1300 for the silly thing.

Britophiles would like the LE, I fear that the idealization of the M1 garand on this forum and elsewhere in pop culture might just be further diluting the Canadian identity in general and the Canadian military tradition specifically. Now now, before you all get your hackles up, remember its a friendly discussion - and that the money that you have all paid for an M1 invariably ended or started with the American government and their unwillingness to market these rifles outside their borders. I believe Canadian masterpieces deserve their own day in the sun.

And who better to offer it than Canadian Gun Nutz ?

(If you can't own 'em, troll 'em. )

Umm don't the fact that John GARAND Being a Canadian who worked for Springfield mean nutten to CGN.. Ummmmmmmmm

 

[vermintrex]

Vermintrex, nothing obviously can be said here, that has not already been mentioned is worth my time and effort to repeat on this subject at hand.

Myself I'm going to bow out of this debate and let others banter with you.

Have a good evening sir!

fair enough and I wish you a Merry Christmas...honestly.

I think there is nothing more worthy of respect than the lives lost in order that we have the freedom to discuss/debate and banter topics like this. I value my opinion..but I love the fact that it can be heard and countered..even refuted by free men and women.

The fact that we can have a forum where history is kept alive through the memories of those who lived it and wrote about it.

To be able to share, discuss and debate is nothing short of a gift.

 

[mcpherson284]

A trained riflemen could reload the M1 faster than an Enfield or K98 on stripper clip. If Fritz decided to charge after hearing that ping - he'd be dead after his second step.
The point about the ping reminding the shooter to reload also has some benefit to his fire team partner knowing it too. No way to tell that if your section had Enfields or K98s, except shouting "reloading!".
Patton called it the greatest implement for battle ever devised. Hard to argue with that kind of compliment.

THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! There are more Garand/ping stories out there than there are Garands that were made. I can relaod any of MY THREE Garands faster than an M-14 or most guys with an AR-15. At a nice even pace, it is 2-3 seconds to put a fresh En-Block in to a Garand. It is 4-5 and a nice even pace with an M-14, Ak, CZ-58, and 3-4 seconds with a AR-15.

 

[flying pig]

Doesn't the semi make it easier to keep your eyes on target as well? I've (tried) to practice proper technique with my LE's a lot but it still seems to me that the big advantage the Garand would have had would have been faster succession of aimed shots. I know proficient shooters with the LE can get a lot of aimed shots off quickly but could everyone?

 

[antiqueguy]

THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! There are more Garand/ping stories out there than there are Garands that were made. I can relaod any of MY THREE Garands faster than an M-14 or most guys with an AR-15. At a nice even pace, it is 2-3 seconds to put a fresh En-Block in to a Garand. It is 4-5 and a nice even pace with an M-14, Ak, CZ-58, and 3-4 seconds with a AR-15.

idk about you but some of us can load a ak(even a cz 858 or m14/m1a/m305) a little quicker then that the ak is one of the fastest guns to reload

 

[antiqueguy]

Doesn't the semi make it easier to keep your eyes on target as well? I've (tried) to practice proper technique with my LE's a lot but it still seems to me that the big advantage the Garand would have had would have been faster succession of aimed shots. I know proficient shooters with the LE can get a lot of aimed shots off quickly but could everyone?

a aimed mad minute is not all that hard

 

[Garand]

THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! There are more Garand/ping stories out there than there are Garands that were made. I can relaod any of MY THREE Garands faster than an M-14 or most guys with an AR-15. At a nice even pace, it is 2-3 seconds to put a fresh En-Block in to a Garand. It is 4-5 and a nice even pace with an M-14, Ak, CZ-58, and 3-4 seconds with a AR-15.

Very true, I shot a number of 3 gun matches with my Springfield M1A before I realized that I could do the reload on a Garand far faster. It then became my match go-to gun. Funny, you RARELY see someone show up at a match with a CZ-58.

 

[Yankee-Canuck]

Nationalism has noting to do with liking particular firearms. I'm American and Canadian but I drank the AK Kool-Aid years ago and will take one over an AR any day. And I just drank the Mosin-Nagant Kool-Aid.