Re-lining a Mauser Broomhandle to 7.63 mm

Loyer

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I have a model 1930 broomhandle that is in desperate need of a barrel relining.

I have the liner but cannot find a gunsmith in Canada willing to do the job (Gunco was suggested on the net but he turned it down today and my local guy didn't want the job).

Even Redman's ($200 + postage) in the USA will only return ship to a USA address.

Are there any Canadian Gunnutz gunsmiths reading this that have done a broomhandle Mauser reline and want to take on this job?
 
If you look on the internet, there is more than one way to fix that beast.

The one I like best doesn't use a liner.

Most C96 pistols do not have any writing or marks on the bbl. It's far easier and stronger to cut off the barrel, close to the bevel on the root and either silver solder in a new chamber and bbl or even thread in a new chamber length, two step insert and either solder or use one of the new fantastic putties out there, like Titanium putty to set it in place as solid as the original. The front site would have to be soldered on as well and the barrel would have to be contoured etc.

It's a big job but not impossible for someone that knows their stuff.

There was an article in a magazine a few years back about how to do it safely.

It it's a collecters piece and not a shooter, leave it alone and look for a shooter. However you get it done, it won't be cheap and the top frame will need to be totally refinished.

There is way more to it, than just installing a liner.

Bits of Pieces could do it for you but look at 18 months and lots of dollars outlay.
 
Just a word of caution.... if you send your gun to USA make darn shure the outfit in the States has a valid export permit ( +- US$ 2700.00 renouvell each year )
You will have no problems to ship your gun in but, without valid export permit the gun will be intercepted and under seasure on the way back and then you in for one year of trouble if everything go well....I had the esperience couple of years a go!!!!!
 
I don't understand why I am having so much trouble finding a Canadian gunsmith who can do the relining job on my C-96 Mauser pistol. I have the 7.63 barrel blank. I thought all someone needed was a metal lathe to drill out the existing bore and chamber and then downsize/match the reliner blank. Lock it in place with loctite-680.
I guess cutting the exact shape of the 7.63 mm cartridge in the chamber would be difficult but I thought a rough drilling out and one-time-use tool would be easy to be made with the same lathe.
What am I missing ?
 
What am I missing ?
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The fact that there is a HUGE diffrence between 90% of the bolt on/parts swapping gunsmiths and the skilled tradesman you need. I have only ever met/dealt with 3 men who I would actually call true craftsman/tradesmen gunsmiths. 2 are dead and 1 is making a living doing something else. Just a sad reflection of the times. Basically unless you find a 70 year old guy who still is willing to work you can usually expect varying levels of frustration and disapointment.

He might be off hunting right now but you could try cgn member guntech I get the impression that he knows the trade.

The procedure that bearhunter outlines is the same method that appears in a respected 1950s publication as well as Nonte's work IIRC. If you go with the cut off method your next challange will be to find a man that can do the blueing without turning it into an abomination.

Maybe you should shop in western europe for a man to do this job...... Or buy a lathe and learn to do it yourself, as you are discovering there are fewer good machinists then there are loyers.LOL.
 
timing is every thing .(hunting season) do your handgun or 30 hunting rifles?
stop saying you want to reline the barrel. the job is rebarreling it. and if your going through the trouble you might as well go with 9mm. your best bet is to talk to Jason at Gunco in December.
 
Loyer said:
I have the 7.63 barrel blank.
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No, you don't. You have a liner.




Loyer said:
I thought all someone needed was a metal lathe to drill out the existing bore and chamber and then downsize/match the reliner blank. Lock it in place with loctite-680.
I guess cutting the exact shape of the 7.63 mm cartridge in the chamber would be difficult but I thought a rough drilling out and one-time-use tool would be easy to be made with the same lathe.
What am I missing ?
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The theory of it and the reality in the field are 2 different things.

Barrel relining is not exactly a straight-forward lathe machining procedure.
If it was that easy,
the real good gunsmiths would die of hunger or find another trade.

Not all calibers are possible to reline
(among others, high power rifle calibers are not).
And also, not all barrel profiles (the skinny ones are hard/impossible).

I don't know if the broomhandle barrel is doable.
Contact member tiriaq on this board.
If it is doable, he might do it for you.
Don't tell him I have sent you.
 
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david doyle said:
The fact that there is a HUGE diffrence between 90% of the bolt on/parts swapping gunsmiths and the skilled tradesman you need.
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THIS

Have you even been to a car mechanic shop? 95% of them are simply glorified parts changers. If the computer does not tell them how to do the "fix", it cannot be done and must be replaced.

Gunsmithing, and just about any other trade for that matter, is no different.
 
you can re line to this caliber, i've seen them done. You might try Buffalo gun center as a shipping route, they will do the paper work more reasonably then most from what i have heard from those i know who have used them.
 
M+S stocks in Leader Sask 306-628-3281 don't know if they are still in business but they used to re-line.........Harold
 
I think a major part of your problem of finding someone is that the barrel to be relined is fairly thin and I would suspect that most gunsmiths would be reluctant to put a liner into something with so little original metal left. It is not a question of can a liner be installed but should a liner be installed.

cheers mooncoon
 
I had a 9mm barrel liner done by an American fellow years ago, long since retired. I know this information is worthless to you. But I can tell you that I mailed him only the top end of the pistol, not the entire thing, and so avoided a great deal of paper work and grief.

Perhaps this broadens your scope of available smiths?
 
Give Les Paul in Oshawa a shout. Email him, I can never get him to answer his bloody phone! I honestly don't know if he's taking on new work; he's got a couple of jobs of mine that I've been waiting quite a long time for.

I know he can sleeve shotgun barrels, and he's the only one I know of that might be capable. If he tells you it's not feasible or practical, then it probably can't be done

http://www.leslieapaul-gunmakers.com/contact.html
 
I will give him a try but so far no one suggested from this forum wants to do the job.
Redman (in the USA) will do them (so it can be done in 7.63mm) but he will not ship to Canada and even though it is just a barrel asm I cannot legally import it back into Canada.
 
It is not too difficult a job. I plan to do this to my own shot out 1930 at some point. I've had it disassembled in a coffee can for a couple years. All I need is some time.

I plan to make a lathe spider that will fit in a 4 jaw chuck, and then center the bore axis in the spider, and go *slow*, as I did in the link below:

While a Broomhandle barrel is much harder to center and hold fast in a lathe, I did something similar to a 9mm Beretta barrel, lining it to 30 Luger.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=352303
 
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