Re-lining a Mauser Broomhandle to 7.63 mm

While both lining and rebarrelling have been done, I suspect that lining the barrel would be easier than rebarrelling. Rebarrelling would involve cutting off the original barrel, boring and threading the remaining receiver for a new barrel, then machining and chambering a new barrel to suit. Just truing the receiver up in the lathe to do the boring and threading would be lots of fun. I would run and hide from the thoughts of welding or gluing in a new barrel.
The C96 barrel is slender. This makes drilling and reaming it for a liner a bit trickier than lining a heavier barrel, and having the receiver there doesn't make it any easier. I don't know if the drilling and reaming could be straight through, or if it would have to stop at the chamber mouth, leaving a shoulder. Once the bore is opened up, bonding in a chambered liner is easy. A chambering reamer would be necessary of course.
When the Chinese Mausers flooded the market, many/most with shot out bores, sleeving was commonly done. This is why folks like Redman are experienced with the job and are able to charge reasonable rates.
Unless someone has done the job before, it is going to be very time consuming to develop the setups to do the work. Then there is the actual machining. The meter would be running. The chambering reamer and other tooling isn't going to be inexpensive. There is also the risk of ruining the upper during the learning process.
 
I would say Barry at Bits of Pieces in Vancouver should be up to the job if he has time. He does phenomenal work, been very impressed when it comes to specialised stuff.
 
If Herron Arms Canada will do the re-work correctly and for a reasonable price they may have an opportunity to greatly increase their business.
I have seen quite a few people's forum notes trying to locate such a gunsmith.
 
Herron didn't work out. Special tools would be needed by them and to buy them would bring the cost of the gunsmithing work to a level too high for my $500 broomhandle.
 
I think I am going to have to send it to the USA to get the work done for the price I am willing to pay ($200 at Redding). He has experience but won't ship to Canada.

Question: I would send only the barrel of the broomhandle. Is a barrel of a restricted pistol allowed to be legally sent out and brought back into Canada?

I found a USA mail point so that Redding can return it to that address.
 
unless I am mistaken, any gun component over $500 requires a US export permit to send it into Canada. Over and above that I think that all integral components (ie barrels and frames) require the permit regardless of value. Even if I am wrong and believe there is more restriction that there really is, I think you would be wise to cover your bum and get an export permit anyway. By the same token you make require an import permit to send the old barrel assembly south

cheers mooncoon
 
Has any one heard of "the Gun Rack aka the Broom Closet" in Starke, Florida ? Internet says they do this kind of work but whitepages and yellowpages don't show them.
Anybody know any one else (other than Redmans, won't ship to Canada)) in the USA?
 
Just received my broomhandle barrel back from Redman's last week. Work was excellent, cheaper than anyone (about $200) else but he is way behind in his work so there is a 6 month waiting period.
Also, he will not ship to Canada.
I shipped it to him, had it sent back to a USA customs house, it was brought to Canada by the ferry service ($5) and I picked it up and declared it at the Canada customs.
Well worth the wait.
 
Nice, seems like it was fairly painless in the end.
What's the "Ferry service"
I'm surprised and delighted to hear that it only cost you $5 and a trip to the border!
 
Can-down said:
Nice, seems like it was fairly painless in the end.
What's the "Ferry service"
I'm surprised and delighted to hear that it only cost you $5 and a trip to the border!
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I am in southern Ontario near Detroit. North of my location are the towns of Sombra and Marine City.
If you google Marine City Ferry, they offer a service and an American address that will receive the part (in your name) and you, as a Canadian, get it from the ferry (across the St Clair river) boat and declare the item at the Canadian side.

It is a nice solution to the USA sellers who refuse to ship to Canada (they are now shipping to Marine City, Michigan).

I do not know if there are similar border crossing services in other parts of the country and this likely won't be legal for modern guns.
 
There is now a Canadian service which is set up to reline C96 Broomhandles to 7.63x25 and can also rebarrel Broomhandles to 7.63x25 (for example, making bolos restricted only) or 9mm (including 9x19, 9x23 and potentially 9x25 - aka 9mm Mauser export - at an extra cost). Refinishing of the barrels re-barelled guns to match the original aged finish is also possible. PM me for info.

Loyer said:
I have a model 1930 broomhandle that is in desperate need of a barrel relining.

I have the liner but cannot find a gunsmith in Canada willing to do the job (Gunco was suggested on the net but he turned it down today and my local guy didn't want the job).

Even Redman's ($200 + postage) in the USA will only return ship to a USA address.

Are there any Canadian Gunnutz gunsmiths reading this that have done a broomhandle Mauser reline and want to take on this job?
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tiriaq said:
While both lining and rebarrelling have been done, I suspect that lining the barrel would be easier than rebarrelling. Rebarrelling would involve cutting off the original barrel, boring and threading the remaining receiver for a new barrel, then machining and chambering a new barrel to suit. Just truing the receiver up in the lathe to do the boring and threading would be lots of fun. I would run and hide from the thoughts of welding or gluing in a new barrel.
The C96 barrel is slender. This makes drilling and reaming it for a liner a bit trickier than lining a heavier barrel, and having the receiver there doesn't make it any easier. I don't know if the drilling and reaming could be straight through, or if it would have to stop at the chamber mouth, leaving a shoulder. Once the bore is opened up, bonding in a chambered liner is easy. A chambering reamer would be necessary of course.
When the Chinese Mausers flooded the market, many/most with shot out bores, sleeving was commonly done. This is why folks like Redman are experienced with the job and are able to charge reasonable rates.
Unless someone has done the job before, it is going to be very time consuming to develop the setups to do the work. Then there is the actual machining. The meter would be running. The chambering reamer and other tooling isn't going to be inexpensive. There is also the risk of ruining the upper during the learning process.
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The Bolded underlined is the part id be concerned about doing something for the first time, one slip in the lathe and the bore drill comes out crooked. speed or feed wrong, and the drill binds up and either jams itself in the barrel, or twists off the thin barrel. No gunsmith wants to ruin someones gun(any that are worth their salt anyhow) and doing a one off like that is a little worrisome at times if its not something they have done before.
 
mooncoon said:
unless I am mistaken, any gun component over $500 requires a US export permit to send it into Canada. Over and above that I think that all integral components (ie barrels and frames) require the permit regardless of value. Even if I am wrong and believe there is more restriction that there really is, I think you would be wise to cover your bum and get an export permit anyway. By the same token you make require an import permit to send the old barrel assembly south

cheers mooncoon
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The other issue is if the US will allow it to be exported, some Military parts for guns cant be shipped out of the country.
 
Aries- said:
The other issue is if the US will allow it to be exported, some Military parts for guns cant be shipped out of the country.
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Unless you get the right permits (which are not issued non-us residents) you are breaking US laws both importing a gun part into the US and later having the upper (which belongs to you) re exported from the US (google ITAR). The way to get these guns shooting like new is to have them relined with a new chamber and bore - and there is now a service in CANADA that does this (i.e. no more risk of huge US fines or US criminal charges for sending your upper to the US and back for relining).

However, not everyone want to pay for a relining job in Canada. Read my post in the reloading forum for how to reload for these older broomhandles so that cases don't split from their oversized chambers and bullets don't tumble and keyhole for "worn" oversized bores.

PM me for details.
 
hayday said:
Unless you get the right permits (which are not issued non-us residents) you are breaking US laws both importing a gun part into the US and later having the upper (which belongs to you) re exported from the US (google ITAR). The way to get these guns shooting like new is to have them relined with a new chamber and bore - and there is now a service in CANADA that does this (i.e. no more risk of huge US fines or US criminal charges for sending your upper to the US and back for relining).

However, not everyone want to pay for a relining job in Canada. Read my post in the reloading forum for how to reload for these older broomhandles so that cases don't split from their oversized chambers and bullets don't tumble and keyhole for "worn" oversized bores.

PM me for details.
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I Pm'd you with questions with no reply.

Russ...
 
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