Re-riveting Pistol Magazines

[Sudbury shooter]

I recently ordered some M&p 9mm 17 round mags pinned at 10. I bought these so I could use Taran tactical extended baseplates. The problem is the baseplates require a longer spring, my spring can't come out because of the existing rivet. I can remove the old rivet but I'm want the new rivet to be just as low profile. Does anyone know of a place that sells a recessed head rivet? I'm open to other suggestions, I just want to be sure the mag can still drop free.

 

[Riley1981]

Here in Edmonton we have stores like Edmonton fasteners.. You should have similar specialty store.. Bring mag in show river head and they will match it.. Pinned mags don't use a proprietary rivet.. Lol

 

[B]

If you are stuck with domed rivets just file them flush afterwards.

 

[Trinimon]

Sounds like you're looking for countersunk rivets. Just need the size and length.

Here are some common pop rivet types:

 

[jiffx2781]

Brafasco would be my best bet

 

[Kratos]

I just put my drill in reverse and slowly remove mag material with a bit matching rivet diameter, this only works on non metal mags. Rivet then sit flush on mag body. Use aluminum rivets, easier to drill out if you need to do mag maintenance.

 

[ted_dent]

Canadian Tire sells 1/8" diameter steel rivets with countersunk heads. About $6-7/100. They should do the trick for you. I've tried them & they work well.

 

[MET]

Technically the RCMP have allowed the pop rivet method to be a "permanent" solution to not allow a pistol magazine to hold more then 10rds.

Now they get to read on CGN where members simply remove the so called "permanent" rivet to change springs, clean mags etc and then reinstall the rivet...

Next thing you know rivets wont be acceptable !

 

[jiffx2781]

Technically the RCMP have allowed the pop rivet method to be a "permanent" solution to not allow a pistol magazine to hold more then 10rds.

Now they get to read on CGN where members simply remove the so called "permanent" rivet to change springs, clean mags etc and then reinstall the rivet...

Next thing you know rivets wont be acceptable !

It's a sad state of affairs ain't it!!

 

[Trinimon]

Technically the RCMP have allowed the pop rivet method to be a "permanent" solution to not allow a pistol magazine to hold more then 10rds.

Now they get to read on CGN where members simply remove the so called "permanent" rivet to change springs, clean mags etc and then reinstall the rivet...

Next thing you know rivets wont be acceptable !

I spoke to the ON CFO about removing the rivet for maintainence and was told it is fine to remove for that purpose but must be promptly riveted once repairs/cleaning has been completed. It's a non-issue so it's okay to take your tin-foil hat off.

 

[jiffx2781]

I don't think there was any tinfoil involved in his statement. He just based it on how ridiculously irrational the RCMP have proven themselves to be

 

[Canuck44]

I don't think there was any tinfoil involved in his statement. He just based it on how ridiculously irrational the RCMP have proven themselves to be

....and how utterly silly some members here can be.

Take Care
Bob

 

[adamg]

I don't think there was any tinfoil involved in his statement. He just based it on how ridiculously irrational the RCMP have proven themselves to be

Unfortunately some of our most verbose and prodigious members have outdone the RCMP in their irrationality and cause crusading.

 

[MET]

I spoke to the ON CFO about removing the rivet for maintainence and was told it is fine to remove for that purpose but must be promptly riveted once repairs/cleaning has been completed. It's a non-issue so it's okay to take your tin-foil hat off.

For myself I would possibly just do what I gotta do about the issue under my own roof and keep it to myself...

A quick google search will bring up the results for the rivets for those needing them for whatever reason.

As for tinfoil, maybe a wee bit, but for years I have been saying we are being observed on here saying stuff giving the Feds ideas and such...

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-RCMP-hiring-“Internet-Firearms-Investigator”

 

[Canuck44]

MET the folks you seem to fear or at least are concerned the most about are not stupid people. They know about the .40 cal mags and that some of the designs will hold 14 rounds of 9MM, Re-riveting a mag after cleaning would not pass the sniff test as being against the present law and would make no justifiable sense if someone were to try to enforce a ruling by some bureaucrat. The pistol mag limit being an escape route for certain rifles was a documented decision by the RCMP so not talking about it hardly falls to the loose lips sinks ships threshold.

If there ever becomes a political gain to be made by either of the main Political Party's to re-enter the minefield of gun legislation all these items will be on some leftist wish list. Fight the good fight where we can. Go to bed knowing the Conservatives will be the only party that will support gun ownership in this country and even they speak to responsible or common sense gun legislation whatever the heck that means.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Grock-co]

Technically the RCMP have allowed the pop rivet method to be a "permanent" solution to not allow a pistol magazine to hold more then 10rds.

Now they get to read on CGN where members simply remove the so called "permanent" rivet to change springs, clean mags etc and then reinstall the rivet...

Next thing you know rivets wont be acceptable !

Ya, of course the rivet is removed for mag maintenance and cleaning, right, anybody want to buy a bridge.

 

[stevebc]

MET the folks you seem to fear or at least are concerned the most about are not stupid people. They know about the .40 cal mags and that some of the designs will hold 14 rounds of 9MM, Re-riveting a mag after cleaning would not pass the sniff test as being against the present law and would make no justifiable sense if someone were to try to enforce a ruling by some bureaucrat. The pistol mag limit being an escape route for certain rifles was a documented decision by the RCMP so not talking about it hardly falls to the loose lips sinks ships threshold.

If there ever becomes a political gain to be made by either of the main Political Party's to re-enter the minefield of gun legislation all these items will be on some leftist wish list. Fight the good fight where we can. Go to bed knowing the Conservatives will be the only party that will support gun ownership in this country and even they speak to responsible or common sense gun legislation whatever the heck that means.

Take Care

Bob

Given the RCMP's obsession with mag sizes and interchanging mags from one platform to another, his caution seems quite understandable, and not at all "tinfoil".

As for a "main political party" getting into gun legislation, you may not have considered the consequence of NOT getting into that minefield: a total lack of support at the polls. I believe the CPC is facing this decision: let's hope they decide, for once in their life, to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

At best, the CPC can be described as "gun neutral". They cannot realistically make the claim they're "gun friendly", because they are not. They tolerate gun ownership and gun owners because of our votes/donations, but I don't believe they've ever intended to act in the way we've repeatedly told they must act if they want our support. Certainly the Harper gov't never intended to follow through on his promise- the one that got so many gun owners involved with the party in the first place.

So for me, the election of Scheer to the leadership position represents another opportunity for the CPC to get it right, but my bottom line is this:

If the CPC fails to massively and substantially reform the Firearms Act once in a majority position, then they will have proven, conclusively, that they never gave a damn about us, and were in fact, liars from the get-go.

They'll be dead to me forever.

 

[MET]

MET the folks you seem to fear or at least are concerned the most about are not stupid people. They know about the .40 cal mags and that some of the designs will hold 14 rounds of 9MM, Re-riveting a mag after cleaning would not pass the sniff test as being against the present law and would make no justifiable sense if someone were to try to enforce a ruling by some bureaucrat. The pistol mag limit being an escape route for certain rifles was a documented decision by the RCMP so not talking about it hardly falls to the loose lips sinks ships threshold.

If there ever becomes a political gain to be made by either of the main Political Party's to re-enter the minefield of gun legislation all these items will be on some leftist wish list. Fight the good fight where we can. Go to bed knowing the Conservatives will be the only party that will support gun ownership in this country and even they speak to responsible or common sense gun legislation whatever the heck that means.

Take Care

Bob

Canuck44, thanks for your opinion. I will just do one of these if things change and they turn around and say rivets are no longer considered permanent and that magazines must be welded or have fall out slots cut in them to limit capacity !

Take Care

Jeff

 

[Canuck44]

Given the RCMP's obsession with mag sizes and interchanging mags from one platform to another, his caution seems quite understandable, and not at all "tinfoil".

As for a "main political party" getting into gun legislation, you may not have considered the consequence of NOT getting into that minefield: a total lack of support at the polls. I believe the CPC is facing this decision: let's hope they decide, for once in their life, to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

At best, the CPC can be described as "gun neutral". They cannot realistically make the claim they're "gun friendly", because they are not. They tolerate gun ownership and gun owners because of our votes/donations, but I don't believe they've ever intended to act in the way we've repeatedly told they must act if they want our support. Certainly the Harper gov't never intended to follow through on his promise- the one that got so many gun owners involved with the party in the first place.

So for me, the election of Scheer to the leadership position represents another opportunity for the CPC to get it right, but my bottom line is this:

If the CPC fails to massively and substantially reform the Firearms Act once in a majority position, then they will have proven, conclusively, that they never gave a damn about us, and were in fact, liars from the get-go.

They'll be dead to me forever.

Well I guess they are going to be dead for you forever because whether we like it or not we are going to have some for of gun restrictions laid upon us. That is a fact of life. While I have seen no indication any of the major parties want to re-open the pandoras box called gun control I don't see an up-swell of public support for the reduction of existing regulations either... outside of the gun community.

Despite what I often read here I am confident the RCMP have more things on their mind right now then examining rivets on pistol mags.

FYI the City of Seattle has a municipal tax on ammunition sales. 10 cents per round for center fire cartridges and 5 cents per round on rimfire. Jump on that Toronto.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Cerakote B.C.]

I recently got some mags from NRM for my Walther PPQ. They are the 15 round version and were pinned so tight to 10 rounds the slide dragged on the first round. I measued the diameter of half a 9mm round, marked the mags and re drilled the hole on the left side. Of course the rivet stuck out too far to seat properly so I just ground down the head a bit. If you go too far, the rivet falls out and you do it again. I was leaving for a match the next day so yes I hit the mags a few times with the dremel. I was in a hurry since I had to whip back out to the range to function test them. Besides they will look pretty beat up soon enough. They function 100 %. PS. The steel is super hard and wore out a few cheap bits.