Re-sizing bullets for 44-40?

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I picked up an old Winchester Model 1892 chambered in 44-40, it came with dies and brass and I picked up some bullets (200 grain RNFP hard cast).
When I tried seating the bullet it went in a bit then the brass crumpled much to my horror, the bullets in question are .430" because the dealer didn't have any .429" which I think is the right size.
I have heard of re-sizer's but have never seen one, are they adjustable? If I got one could I make these bullets fit?
The bullets are very hard would this be a problem?
Any ideas/help is much appreciated.
 
You'll need to slug your bore (google it, lots of info) to find out what your barrels groove diameter actually is. These can vary hugely, especially in older guns, so don't assume anything until you slug it. You then want a bullet that is .001" to .002" or sometimes .003" larger than the groove diameter you find with the slug. Also it's best to use a micrometer to measure the slug as many calipers have a reading error of +/- .002" from the get-go. I usually use 00 buckshot to slug bores of 8mm/.32 or less but for the 44 you can have a harder time finding a soft lead ball big enough. Could try to find a 45 cal muzzle loader round ball; they're usually $15/100 and are soft enough for slugging. I cast my own .435" round balls for kitten fart loads in 44 mag so I use those.

You'll need to expand your case necks to a thou or so under the actual bullet diameter. Lyman M dies are designed for this; they expand the entire neck. You'll also want to flare the case mouth. A big problem with 44-40 brass is it tends to be very thin compared to other cartridges so it'll crush easily if the bullets aren't seated correctly.

I wouldn't use hard cast bullets for a 44-40 since it's meant for black powder and soft lead anyway. A soft to medium alloy would probably be best with black or smokeless powder.

You might have a groove diameter of .426", .429", or .430", or .431", or something else entirely. With a nice thick copper jacket you can afford to assume and not run into too many issues. With lead bullets you can't assume without running into trouble (tumbling bullets, barrel leading, etc.). Remington makes jacketed bullets specifically for the 44-40 and they are .426". Wikipedia says 44-40 is .427" in a perfect world. If your dies sized the brass assuming a .427" bullet it is probably sizing it to .425" or so and combining that with the thin nature of 44-40 brass I'm not too surprised it buckled with a .430" hard cast bullet trying to get in.

The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook has a lot of great info for reloading cast bullets. They've got quite a few peculiarities that aren't present when reloading copper jacketed bullets.

For the actual sizing step the standard tool is a lubrisizer which is designed to size, lube, and also crimp on gas checks. These can run $200-300 or more and you need sizing dies for each size; they are not adjustable. There is also the push-through sizing method that Lee makes specific dies for that work in a normal press and only cost ~$20 per size (again, not adjustable) but they only come in 1 or 2 sizes per calibre. They make a .427", .429", and .430" but if your bore is larger (often from wear in older rifles) then those are going to be too small. I had a machinist friend ream me out a custom made sizer to 11mm (.433") but it actually sizes to .4345" or so. I have a 44 mag with a groove diameter of .4315" so I need bigger bullets. The custom sizer sizes to .003" over groove diameter which is good.

There are different considerations for copper plated bullets and powder coated bullets as well.
 
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A buddy loads 200gr .44 Speer Gold Dots .........jacketed of course.I loaded 200gr cast .429 and IMR 4227.........Harold
 
I have a 3 die set and the bullet goes in straight but is just to big to seat without stretching the brass then crumpling it. If I could reduce the diameter all would be well but I should slug the bore as mentioned so I know what is happening.
 
I've got a four die set for my 336 in 35rem and one die is a neck expanding die for
cast bullets.
Wonder if they are out there for the 44-40?

Edit.......Lyman stamps it the "M" die as I just notice Lutnit posted.
 
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If you size the bullet down so it'll fit the cases, but it turns out to be too small for your bore, you'll probably be spending an hour or two scrubbing lead out of your barrel. I'd slug your bore first and find out what diameter you need; then size your brass according to that.

I just checked and the Lyman site lists an M die for 44-40 under the rifle section; US$24.95. If you're using up to .427" bullets that is the correct one to get. If you find out you need larger, or use larger bullets anyway (safe to a point), then perhaps the 44 Russian/special/magnum would be a better idea as it's designed for seating .429" and .430" bullets.
 
Track of the Wolf has expander plugs for your dies.

I use a 0.430" in a Lee die, I had the rim chamfered so as not to buckle the cartridge.

I also use a Lee Factory Crimp Die to insure sold seating for use in either a Rifle or revolver.
 
Hodgdon shows a .428" diameter. My old Lyman manual gives .425" to .429". Doubt a thou will make much difference, but like LUTNIT says, slug your barrel. Hammer a cast bullet through the barrel with a brass rod(3/8" will do) and a plastic mallet and measure it.
 
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I had trouble with .44-40 cases crumpling so I made cases from cut down .303 British. This worked for me in my .44-40/12 ga "cape gun" so you could try it for your M92. To "bell" the case mouth I used a .50 cal BMG bullet - just gave it a tap.
 
I picked up an old Winchester Model 1892 chambered in 44-40, it came with dies and brass and I picked up some bullets (200 grain RNFP hard cast).
When I tried seating the bullet it went in a bit then the brass crumpled much to my horror, the bullets in question are .430" because the dealer didn't have any .429" which I think is the right size.
I have heard of re-sizer's but have never seen one, are they adjustable? If I got one could I make these bullets fit?
The bullets are very hard would this be a problem?
Any ideas/help is much appreciated.

It's quite simple. Your bullets are .430" diameter and your case mouth is +/- 0.427".

Your bullets are too large diameter for your brass. So you have tw choices: make the brass bigger, or make the bullets smaller.

1.) Increase brass neck size: 0.430" bullets may very well fit and shoot fine in your 44-40 WCF - that is if you can get the .430" bullets seated in the brass. To do that you'll need to expand the case using something like the Lyman M die or possibly an expander for a 44 mag/special/russian. A regular 44-40 expander die won't do it for you.

2.) Aletrnatively you could size the bullets down to .428" and they will probably seat in your brass fine. You can get a LEE push through sizing die that screws into your press for about $15-$20.

Those are your choices. It's pretty much that easy. :)
 
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I'm loading Bullet Barn 200 gr .429 RNFP's for my 44-40 Henry and '66 carbine. That metal is pretty hard.

When I first started loading for the Henry, I loaded .427's and the rifle shot well with them, I've also shot .430 in both with good results.

My .44 Mag Browning '92 prefers .430 RNFP's.
 
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