re: "sniper rifles"

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re: "sniper rifles"

i am tired of you guys whining about people asking questions about sniper rifles. whether you realize it or not sniper rifle is another term for tactical rifle.
also if you want to get technical most threads here are not for precision rifles.

i am sorry but most of the calibres mentioned are not precision cartridges they are either hunting or for lack of a better term they are target they are not match.

you want precision then shoot cartriges like 22 PPC, 6PPC, 6MM BR, 30 BR
etc.. the cartridges you guys talk about like 300 RUM, 338 LM, 50 BMG ETC.
are not precision cartridges. the matches they are designed for they are good. but try and shoot for group at 1000 yds and you will find they are not up to the task. i would love to see these cartridges shoot a 4" group at 1000
yards. they are meant to hit a target at that range not fire a group.

also for an example you call a REM 700 TACTICAL a precision rifle. tell me when it comes to looks what is the difference between this and US military sniper rifle models M24 or M40. these 2 rifles are more refined than a standard MODEL 700 you still try to emulate them but use the politically correct term precision rifle (maybe some of you are closet liberals). also look at the scopes you use. how many have mil dot reticles. is that not meant for a sniper rifle.

how about cutting these guys some slack and accept their questions gracefully and honestly and with good answers and no rebuke.

harold lichtman
 
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-Rasmussen Shoots 1.9557" group at 1000 yards, and sets Four 50-Caliber World Records-

A tidbit from the website àccurateshooter dot com.

Regarding the look of various Remington 700s. Personally I worry more about what is under the hood. IE-A 5R or a Krieger barrel.
Your chosen examples are full of unmentioned variables friend.
 
So a jeep YJ and a Hummer are the same too right? When you get right down to is a Porsche and a Pinto are the same too..

Tactical, precision, long range and sniper are all the same in your eyes we get it...

And since some calibers (IE 308 and 243) that lend themselves for more then one thing can't be called anything other then hunting cartridges.. And 50 BMG it's not like anybody ever shot someone at 2,430m with one (Rob Furlong) or 1.54 Miles with a 338 LM.. They should be using some bench rest caliber rather then the "REAL" thing
 
We all started somewhere. We didnt come Out of the womb knowing everything. I think the op was tryin to say lets edumacate the new guys comin in.
 
Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
 
atr said:
Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
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Awesome post!
 
atr said:
Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
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Don't think less of me... I do own a shottie and it has a boomstick as a friend..
 
atr said:
You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
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The rest of your post was great.....but assuming someone knows less than you because you have "more time" on an internet sight.......that's funny. :nest:

I'm not offended by the term "sniper" but I understand why it causes problems.

The antis will always think guns are for killing, you won't change that by changing their names.
 
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Bullzeye, (op) please ignore ATR, you raised a good point about the recent activity on this board.

We need to grow up, and start being civil and treating other people with some basic respect (regardless of their trader status)

I would argue the best Forum and site out there on precision shooting is "Snipers Hide" they don't seem to mind it. They just do their thing, and help new shooters enter their sport. Snipers Hide is the gold standard that we should seek to emulate as far as the quality of information and member support. We are not nearly there yet.

If I get into a F1 race car, does it automatically become just a sports car? and if Mark Webber gets into my Toyota Echo does if become an F1 race car? Of course not.

And a PGW Timberwolf .338 or TRG-22, purpose built sniper rifles dont become "precision sporting arms" in the hands of an amateur. We just need to accept and embrace the term when it is used.

You are 100% that we all need to calm down.
 
im gonna try up load a picture from 2 weeks ago. I shot a 5 shot group that happend to be 4 inches at 965 yards with my 7rem mag.

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff482/pilot200

my first 2 shots were a little erratic. But once I doped my wind the center group if you zoom in is 4 shots almost touching... then one dropped. My Girl friend actually fired one of the top 4 shots... im not trying to be a D*ck, she really did. I measured that at a solid 5 shot 4 inch group 965 yard, again with my 7 rem mag and a 180gr berger. Is that precicion enough for you ?

Thats a 12 inch by 12 inch plate

if you cut then paste the link for the pic into the address bar it seems to work. link not working when i click it for some reason.
 
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atr said:
Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
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HAHA funny post made me smile.
 
atr said:
Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .
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Hmmm, good post, but I think I'll disagree. The antis won't support the private ownership of firearms regardless of what we call them, so I have long since stopped caring what they think. To do otherwise is to offer ourselves onto the alter of political correctness where we would restrict ourselves into nonexistence. Thus we have stopped calling firearms weapons, despite the fact that some people need to be shot from time to time and a firearm used as a weapon is the best tool for the job.

I can own a Winchester 94, 86, or 73 lever actions, or a P model Colt without being a cowboy, yet in the popular media at least, "cowboy guns" are clearly used to kill people. Still few object to the term "cowboy gun". So why is it that I can build a M-700 to the same specifications as an M-40 or M-26 but can't call it a "sniper rifle", without ruffling feathers. That's just silly. The problem isn't the sniper part of the term, its the rifle part.
 
I suggest several of you go to the top of the page and re-read the rules under the "Rules and FAQ" heading on the blue bar. If this thread continues on its present course, it's headed for a lock with a few infractions being handed out.
 
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