Re-thinking Lube on the M16FOW

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In the last few months I have been rethinking lubes.


I've tried about everything under the sun. For the last two years my prefered lube has been Mobil1 Synthetic 10W30. I use MPRO7 to clean.


At SHOT the gentleman at FIRECLean dropped off a sample of their lube. I generally take most claims that folks make with a grain of salt.


One of our guys at KAC had started using it on his personal guns, and was impressed.


Ed and Dave (from FIREClean) phoned me in early March - and we discovered we were collocated in Virginia. I ended up having lunch with them locally - and we discussed shooting and a variety of other things. They are definitely shooting fans not chemists or snake oils salesmen.


I had a government demo the next day and they offered to lube the gun for me with FIREClean. Now normally I would have declined but Jack Leuba who works for KAC had been using it since SHOT, and he's pretty squared away so I took them on their offer.


Demo went well, and I was astounded as too how the weapon looked after, it was a 11.5" SR-16, and after over 900rds in an hour and a half, the lube was still wet, AND the lube on the flash hider was still wet.


It cleaned up in no time, as the carbon did not adhere to any of the steel or aluminum parts.
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I was in an Allied country earlier this month, and the users where conducting an evaluation of our 11.5 and 14.5" SR-16's, the first stage was an indoor practice,


Over 750 rds of ICC Frangible where fired thru each weapon. It is pretty dirty ammo, but the fouling wiped right off.


Last weekend I took the REDBACK ONE Advanced Combat Carbine course, and took some pictures afterwards.


Aprox 500 rds fired thru the 11.5" - it was also demo'ed at night after TD1 had 'finished" as part of a flash test.


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2 min wipe (and why I am a FIREClean convert)
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yes I have used Slip2000 products before, as well as FrogLube and many others.
 
Sounds good, basically same results can be achieved from using Super Lube grease which contains Polytetrafluoroethylene(PTFE) which is one of the most slippery surfaces (lowest coefficient of friction) known to man. Says on their website the lube contains a solvent which dissolves carbon, I wonder how it would remove baked-on carbon from a surface which has not been pre-lubed?
 
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Greases biggest problems (not being a liquid) is that they keep dust and sand in the mechanism, liquids allow that foreign matter to move away from bearing or locking surfaces.

TW-25B or FrogLube are prime examples of great lubes that go to hell when sand is involved.
 
I have little doubt that today's lubes are continuously evolving and are superior in their specialized tasks that they are designed for. However, I wonder how much of the ease of cleaning is due to the (appearance of) chrome lining of the bolt and carrier and other parts, as opposed to the lube. I have a Ruger SR 556 with a chromed carrier (etc), and I too basically just wipe it off, with minimal, if any, carbon build up. (I use ballistol).
 
I have little doubt that today's lubes are continuously evolving and are superior in their specialized tasks that they are designed for. However, I wonder how much of the ease of cleaning is due to the (appearance of) chrome lining of the bolt and carrier and other parts, as opposed to the lube. I have a Ruger SR 556 with a chromed carrier (etc), and I too basically just wipe it off, with minimal, if any, carbon build up. (I use ballistol).

The special coatings do help, but where this lube outshines the competition is that it is hard to burnout as well acts almost like a carbon cutter. It still takes a bit of elbow grease to get baked on carbon off. But I dont clean my guns with dental picks and what not. I've used several different types of lubes and greases, most recently Slip EWL and have now been using Fireclean exclusively.
 
Greases biggest problems (not being a liquid) is that they keep dust and sand in the mechanism, liquids allow that foreign matter to move away from bearing or locking surfaces.

TW-25B or FrogLube are prime examples of great lubes that go to hell when sand is involved.

Grease requires more frequent attention in harsh dusty enviroments, but excels at keeping the working surface clean. Grease tends to grab the dirt, but pile it up outside of the actual location of movement. Oil is decieving because it cannot hold the dust and dirt, which means instead of being removed it is allowed to pass through.

I am not ever on a two way range, so the overal superior aspects of grease make it the lubricant of choice for me. If i was on a two way range and didn't have time to keep up with grease(which is usually one or two wipes and reapply) I would consider an oil.
 
Grease requires more frequent attention in harsh dusty enviroments, but excels at keeping the working surface clean. Grease tends to grab the dirt, but pile it up outside of the actual location of movement. Oil is decieving because it cannot hold the dust and dirt, which means instead of being removed it is allowed to pass through.

I am not ever on a two way range, so the overal superior aspects of grease make it the lubricant of choice for me. If i was on a two way range and didn't have time to keep up with grease(which is usually one or two wipes and reapply) I would consider an oil.

Run a can with grease...

Believe me I have tried grease, it does not work in high round count guns, or suppressed or in dusty sandy conditions.
 
Run a can with grease...

Believe me I have tried grease, it does not work in high round count guns, or suppressed or in dusty sandy conditions.

TW25B works great in sand - with a minigun. The TW freezes up pretty bad at extreme cold temps - way before light weight oils do.

Dave gave me a sample at IWA and I thought it was a little bit of "snake oil".

I'll give it a try now.
 
Greases biggest problems (not being a liquid) is that they keep dust and sand in the mechanism, liquids allow that foreign matter to move away from bearing or locking surfaces.

TW-25B or FrogLube are prime examples of great lubes that go to hell when sand is involved.

I've heard this about FrogLube before from someone that shoots in the sandy Arizona ranges.
 
Kevin did you only run Fireclean or still use a grease in the bolt/carrier mate junction ?
 
The best lube for guns is just like picking the best lube for any machine, the piece of equipment,condition,enviroment and temp you use the machine will decide what lube is best at that time.

None are best at all instances, for my ARs used in a nice covered clean range TW grease or Froglube has proven to me to be far superior than any oil.
 
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