Ready to go back to the classics, or never left?

Kevan said:
I posted pics of mine in the big bore thread a couple days ago, posts # 123 & 124..
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Yes, I remember that. My son collects vintage cartridges, and I stumbled upon a vintage 404 Jeffrey a little while ago. Once I held that sucker in my hand, I felt compelled to do some research on it, and I am convinced it would make a great do-it-all short-medium range dangerous game cartridge... with relatively (note: relatively to it's peers) light recoil. Of course, I haven't fired a rifle chambered in this cartridge, so I don't have first hand experience. ;)
 
something like this would do :)

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The Kurgan said:
Yes, I remember that. My son collects vintage cartridges, and I stumbled upon a vintage 404 Jeffrey a little while ago. Once I held that sucker in my hand, I felt compelled to do some research on it, and I am convinced it would make a great do-it-all short-medium range dangerous game cartridge... with relatively (note: relatively to it's peers) light recoil. Of course, I haven't fired a rifle chambered in this cartridge, so I don't have first hand experience. ;)
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As pictured the rifle weighs 10 lbs. and I personally would not want it any lighter since I am a small man ( 5' 7" ).
For me its easy to handle and shooting it offhand is quite tolerable even with a heavy load.
 
Picked up some Hollywood 404 nitro dies recently and cleaned the local dealer out of their old stock Kynoch 10.75x73... ...guess I'm building a big bore in the near future too! Woodleigh makes a 450 gr now which should add that je ne sais quoi to the equation.
 
The only goofy cartridge I have is a 325wsm BLR Lightweight, love the gun, hate buying ammo as it is almost impossible to find and expensive as hell when you do
 
Gun store shelves a chock full of new and used WSMs as is the EE. I'm guessin' that folks are going back to the old classics again.
 
Biggest bore a 458x2inch. Highest velocity cartridge a 30-06.

My most recent weakness is vintage blackpowder SxS 10 gauge. Backed up with oodles of LE style M37/87 shotguns.
(One 1997 M87 Turkeyslayer and one 1971 M37 20 gauge Featherweight also)

Some 22 trainers.
 
SuperCub said:
A quick check on the interweb gives me info outside of my neck of the woods.

The WSMs were never huge popular here anyways. Too many FUDDs here for those newfangled meat wasters. :)
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Like it or not the designers of the wsm got it right. They are more efficient than their counterparts, the only problem is component price. If a box of 7wsm was 2 bucks cheaper than 7rem, then a lot more 7wsms would sell. But when wsm ammo is 2x the price people will put up with the inefficiency and the belt on the RM.
 
cdn shooter said:
Like it or not the designers of the wsm got it right. They are more efficient than their counterparts, the only problem is component price. If a box of 7wsm was 2 bucks cheaper than 7rem, then a lot more 7wsms would sell. But when wsm ammo is 2x the price people will put up with the inefficiency and the belt on the RM.
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Component cost is not the only problem... the short, fat, sharp shouldered cases do not appeal to everyone, nor do they always feed as smoothly... and most often, the performance gains are not sigificant in the field... so for "my" purposes, they are an entirely redundant... but I don't tend to hunt chronograph numbers.
 
cdn shooter said:
Like it or not the designers of the wsm got it right. They are more efficient than their counterparts, the only problem is component price. If a box of 7wsm was 2 bucks cheaper than 7rem, then a lot more 7wsms would sell. But when wsm ammo is 2x the price people will put up with the inefficiency and the belt on the RM.
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I didn't say I didn't like them. I'd like to try out a 7WSM but brass in non-existent and it really doesn't offer much over a std 7mag. and belted cases work just fine.
 
It's almost like the ammo/brass makers want to overprice the WSMs to kill them and go back to fewer choices, less inventory and higher profits.
 
Gatehouse said:
I use cartridges that I find interesting and/or practical. Sometimes it's new, sometimes it's well over 100 years old, sometimes it's 50 years old. If I like it, I use it.

That 300WSM is now 15 years old, and is a very popular cartridge, so is the 270WSM. The NEW KING- 375 Ruger- is almost 10 years old. I remember hearing "stock up on brass" when the 300WSM came out, but it's going strong. The 30-06 is over 100 but still probably the #1 popular hunting cartridge. There are obsolete cartridges (like the 375 H&H) that are still very popular, full on newfangled cartridges that are very popular and everything in between.

So, to the question of gravitating towards classics or new? I think you are correct in that the classics worked well then, they actually work better now with modern powders and bullets....But I have no intention of limiting myself to "just old" or "just new" I'll use whatever piques my interest. :)
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My feeling exactly. I don't gravitate towards only "classics" or only newfangled cartridges, depends on what's speaks to me.
 
Some of my older ones, the .45/70 from 1873, the .303 British from 1891, the 30.06 from 1906 is my regular elk and moose cartridge, and the .270 Winchester from 1925 is my deer round...
 
cdn shooter said:
Like it or not the designers of the wsm got it right. They are more efficient than their counterparts, the only problem is component price. If a box of 7wsm was 2 bucks cheaper than 7rem, then a lot more 7wsms would sell. But when wsm ammo is 2x the price people will put up with the inefficiency and the belt on the RM.
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How are they more efficient? All sorts of things have been tried like "U" shaped cases and all that matters is capacity.
 
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