Realistic 100 Yard Accuracy

[enefgee]

I used to know this crazy old Scottsman, he fought in the Spanish Civil War, WW2 and Korea, also took part in a couple of post colonial brawls, As a young man I asked him what the best way to learn long distance shooting was, he told me that there is nothing that you can learn about shooting a rifle at long range, that you can't learn shooting a .22 lr at 100 and 200 yards.

 

[Got Juice?]

Seems like there’s fewer numbers of gophers than when I was a kid, haven’t gone for probably a decade specifically varmint hunting, got juice is making me think I should get out there this year!

I do a lot of shooting with the firearms... AND the Camera! This alone makes a day spent in the field worthwhile. 2:35 a Bald Eagle makes a diving pick. Eariler footage is the Air supremacy battle

 

[Got Juice?]

More Bald Eagle footage with Spencer Hawks, and Osprey Harassing again.

 

[Got Juice?]

I used to know this crazy old Scottsman, he fought in the Spanish Civil War, WW2 and Korea, also took part in a couple of post colonial brawls, As a young man I asked him what the best way to learn long distance shooting was, he told me that there is nothing that you can learn about shooting a rifle at long range, that you can't learn shooting a .22 lr at 100 and 200 yards.

Some of our best 10X shots with the .22's have been at 220-240yds. First thing in the AM when the wind and mirage are low and the Gophers are on their mounds sunning themselves. Your Scottsman friend was very wise. 22 shooting has improved my wind skills, and overall marksmanship skills.

A rimfire is punishing to bad shooting form.

Seems like there’s fewer numbers of gophers than when I was a kid, haven’t gone for probably a decade specifically varmint hunting, got juice is making me think I should get out there this year!

You think so. But after 2 hours in the field you begin to re-train your eyes to look for movement rather than the animal itself. It comes back fairly quick. Some fields to the layperson seem barren.. to a varminter they are teeming with targets. When gopher season starts, and i am driving, i really have to concentrate on the road. The urge is that strong

Rumour has it, I have even called in sick when a particularly nice day comes along.....

 

[silverfoxdj]

I'm happy to get my shots within 1 inch at any time


















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[Big Bad]

Hey all I just started playing around at 100 yards with the .22 and I'm wondering what everyone is getting for groupings.

I am finding that I can't keep a constant zero in the slightest of wind conditions.
I realize that a lot of it could be operator error however I was just curious what you guys/girls are getting.

Debating on making a .22 precision build but debating if bumping up to a .223 would be better for the wind.
Don't want to invest money and still end up disappointed with the limitations of the .22lr.

Would be interested if anyone does any long range stuff with their .22 and what there experience has been. Thanks

Doug

Practice, practice, practice with a bolt action rifle capable of longer range accuracy and ammo that brings that accuracy out. Don't clean your barrel unless you start LOSING accuracy after a long period of good shooting. People who scrub out their barrels after every shoot are not doing good .22 maintenance, whatever they may think. Clean the action only and you will go far.

As far as ammo goes, my go-to affordable stuff is the Federal unplated subsonic stuff labelled 714 or 510 on the 50 round boxes. Right now, about half a season into precision .22 LR shooting, I have better luck with the 510 rounds, probably because I'm more used to high velocity .22 LR rounds than not. Speaking to an Anschutz dealer here in Canada, he tells me the 510 is used at greater ranges because it's slightly higher powered, in fact he told me people are getting good groupings right out to 200 metres using it. He mentioned 'dime sized holes'-- that's not me yet.

 

[manitou210]

Maybe when I die and go to heaven I'll shoot a .5" ten-shot group at 100 yds. Until then, this is my best effort. January club match. Rifle: Remington 40x. Scope: Bushnell ET 6-24x50. Range: 100 yds. 10 ring size: 1". 5 rounds on each target. Conditions on that day: Good, with light crosswind. Score and group size (measured centre to centre) noted next to each target. Total score: 598/600

The target sheets look messy because the shooter beside me accidentally shot two of my targets. Then he realized his error and told me. Fortunately he had started shooting at the top of one page and I had started at the bottom of the other. So he had two clean bulls on his page which I then shot last. The circles identify the correct shooter. Afterwards we did a cut and paste so that each of us had a complete set of our own target sheets.

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those 40x rem some fine shooters

 

[Maple57]

You think so. But after 2 hours in the field you begin to re-train your eyes to look for movement rather than the animal itself. It comes back fairly quick. Some fields to the layperson seem barren.. to a varminter they are teeming with targets. When gopher season starts, and i am driving, i really have to concentrate on the road. The urge is that strong

I can totally relate...

I went ground hog shooting some years back near Owen Sound Ontario with a friend who ran a local gun store. He kept pointing out ground hogs in the fields but it took me quite a while to "see" them.

Once I got it, I can now spot them anywhere. I once saw a ground hog in a vacant lot in Detroit on 8 mile road of all places.

I had another friend in the car with me one day as we drove over the train tracks where I spotted one.

I pointed to it but he could not see it, so I stopped the car and we got out.

As we walked toward it I pointed to it and he still could not see it.

We got closer and closer and still he couldn't.

We finally got to about 10 feet away when he finally saw it because it moved and ran into its hole.

It's funny but you just need to learn how to see them.

The same goes for deer.

 

[DT741]

I was able to bring it down to toonie size putting lots of efforts and using CCI standard velocity out of my Savage Mk2 FV on a bipod and a 3x9 scope.

Average performance is pop can 100% hit at 100m with bulk ammo

 

[.22LRGUY]

You think so. But after 2 hours in the field you begin to re-train your eyes to look for movement rather than the animal itself. It comes back fairly quick. Some fields to the layperson seem barren.. to a varminter they are teeming with targets. When gopher season starts, and i am driving, i really have to concentrate on the road. The urge is that strong

I can totally relate...

I went ground hog shooting some years back near Owen Sound Ontario with a friend who ran a local gun store. He kept pointing out ground hogs in the fields but it took me quite a while to "see" them.

Once I got it, I can now spot them anywhere. I once saw a ground hog in a vacant lot in Detroit on 8 mile road of all places.

I had another friend in the car with me one day as we drove over the train tracks where I spotted one.

I pointed to it but he could not see it, so I stopped the car and we got out.

As we walked toward it I pointed to it and he still could not see it.

We got closer and closer and still he couldn't.

We finally got to about 10 feet away when he finally saw it because it moved and ran into its hole.

It's funny but you just need to learn how to see them.

The same goes for deer.

Like Got Juice~varmint hunting IS my main "gig", and I spend more time at it than anybody I know. lol Alberta gophers when time/$ allows...but Ontario groundhogs every spring/summer. Never a big numbers game, but like anything...stick with it, you learn allot along the way and success rates trend upwards. As for spotting them~with gophers...it's mostly movement. With groundhogs, it's either color (THEIR color vs. the lush/green hay or soybeans) but more often, inconsistencies in the field itself. Hay cutting equipment rides-up on the pile of rocks left when a groundhog digs a hole...so look for patches of taller hay to reveal where there is (or was) a groundhog hole. They're FAR more wary than gophers in the west, so glass a field looking for either groundhogs themselves..or patches of taller hay. If you find the latter, get set-up and study the patch of hay (with a higher-power spotting, or rifle scope) for at least 10 minutes. Just showing up on a field (even 200+ yards away) can scare them down their holes but eventually...9/10 of them will "periscope" up partially within 10 minutes to see if the perceived threat is still there. This is the toughest part for impatient groundhog hunters, and why some people I invite only ever GET the one invite. lol The waiting period is the wrong time to be fidgety, you want to be nearly motionless...which is why I run a higher-magnification scope. I can study a hole/mound through it...with my finger close to the "go" button. Laying still in dried-up cow patties, in a hot sun, often humid conditions~not everyone's cup of tea. It's how you get it done though.

Trade secrets revealed! lol

 

[Evanguy]

I love shooting 22 shorts 830fps at 100m from my lee enfield. I like when i get 6" 25 shot groups ( factory lee enfield sights)... Seems to be bigger groups then youre looking for though.. But it sure is fun

 

[Got Juice?]

Spring is coming. My rimfire stock is increasing. Coolers and gear are on defcon alert. I think this will be a banner year. And there will be a 65 Creed coming to the party as well.
I also found another 250-40gn vmaxes laying around.

 

[.22LRGUY]

I love shooting 22 shorts 830fps at 100m from my lee enfield. I like when i get 6" 25 shot groups ( factory lee enfield sights)... Seems to be bigger groups then youre looking for though.. But it sure is fun

If you have an Enfield Trainer in 22LR, I already don't like you.

 

[RRH.01]

You mean covered by a dime.

I agree. Rimfire is fun. Great for 100 yards. Lots to learn, a real sense of accomplishment when you group well. Best is to do both.

That thread was a laugh,

 

[willyqbc]

pretty interested in this topic as I am currently testing a bunch of different ammo in a new MKii BV, and I have a question for you folks more knowledgeable about rimfire than I

i shot five 10 shot groups at 50m then five more 10 shot groups at 100M from each brand

so far the lapua center x is the clear winner

50M avg groups size .526", best group .368"

100M avg group size 1.350", best group .995"

so my question....is it worth spending $100's more to buy some eley match, eley tenex, lapua midas, lapua x-act etc.....or is it likely this is about topped out for a non custom factory rifle?

OH....and is the "standard" for rimfire groups usually for 5 or 10 shots?

Thnx for any input!
Chris

 

[Mystic Precision]

100yds, Savage MKII, Athlon Ares ETR. Started life as a FV and was restocked. Some TLC applied but factory barreled action. Testing new ammo for this season. This is SK ammo sorted.... 5rds. Conditions were mid to strong gusty and switchy winds. I just waited for my flag to point in one direction and let this group fly.



And then the wind changed ... still plenty good for the intended use. For CRPS/Action Rifle Rimfire, I am ok with 1" or better at 100yds... what I care more is how it shoots out to 200 to 300m.

Jerry

 

[allan harris]

i shot five 10 shot groups at 50m then five more 10 shot groups at 100M from each brand

so far the lapua center x is the clear winner

50M avg groups size .526", best group .368"

100M avg group size 1.350", best group .995"

so my question....is it worth spending $100's more to buy some eley match, eley tenex, lapua midas, lapua x-act etc.....or is it likely this is about topped out for a non custom factory rifle?

OH....and is the "standard" for rimfire groups usually for 5 or 10 shots?

Chris

Chris...You didn't say what scope and rest set up used, but regardless, 50 shot averages at 50 & 100 such as you have achieved with that BV are very respectable indeed.

If I'm seriously trying to dial in a new 22, I'll shoot a bit of what I have available at the time (Mainly use SK/Lapua offerings). The ammo with potential is usually obvious so I'll base my accuracy tests on 20X5 shot groups at 50. Once I think I have everything sorted at that range, I'll move out to 100.

 

[willyqbc]

Hi Allen,

scope was just an old simmons 6-18 x 44, I picked up a bushnell engage 6-24x50 today to put on it, and will be trimming the trigger spring to get it down to about 1.5#'s

was shot of the bench with a caldwell rock that I have modified and a rear bag.....the set up in the pic, but with a better rear bag

https://imgur.com/TCy1MiF

so....5 shot groups are more the norm with rimfire? I see lots of people say "1/2" groups at 50yds" but they never mention if thats 5 or 10 shots

 

[RabidM4U5]

so my question....is it worth spending $100's more to buy some eley match, eley tenex, lapua midas, lapua x-act etc.....or is it likely this is about topped out for a non custom factory rifle?

OH....and is the "standard" for rimfire groups usually for 5 or 10 shots?

Thnx for any input!
Chris

You've got a good shooter for a factory rifle, my (now sold) MKII BTVS shot about the same, and you'll notice there are only I think 3 Savages on the 1/2" @ 50 yard challenge thread (mine being one of them). You might not see better results with the more expensive ammo, and it has to do with pairing a certain ammo load to your individual rifle's barrel. A "good" ammo can produce crap target results if your barrel doesn't "like" it. Not just that... but out of 10 lots of say Midas +, only 1 or 2 might shoot well in your rifle, so buying a brick blind is like rolling dice as to whether or not that particular lot suits your barrel. Only real way to know is to try. I have bought a brick of X-Act and Tenex, and after testing in several rifles I'm not seeing anything to make me want to repeat the purchase. I have had great results with Midas + and Polar Biathlon, as well as RWS R-50 and Special Match. Eley never did much for me, though I purchased during a time period where, according to the benchrest crowd, Eley quality went through a rough patch. Eley's recent production has supposedly much improved.

All that to say, nobody can tell you for certain what will work for your rifle, you just have to do your own testing and find the limits of your equipment, then buy the best value ammo that gives you results you are happy with. Several vendors such as Tesro and Nordic Marksman offer sampler packs so you can try a couple boxes of each high $$ ammo without committing to a brick of each if they don't work out for your rifle. Doing the sampler pack is worth at least satisfying your curiosity, if nothing else.

I don't think there is a "standard" # of shots per group for testing, whatever you like and makes you feel good about the data generated. Myself, I like shooting a box of ammo into 5 shot groups.

 

[1stTimeUser]

Sounds like a hell of a day! Where do I sign up? How far of a drive is it to get to your place? LOL!

Lots of Farmland around where I live, but I doubt that the farmers are looking to allow people to live fire on their property for such a purpose.