Really long throated .270 win

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Hello all. Anyone run into an exceptionally long throated rifle in this cal in a model 700 rem? I can't even come near the lands with the hornady gauge and modified case. Should I just load to fit the mag(hinged floor plate) and work up? Obviously I'll be over published max ( as far as powder volume is concerned) if I go this route . Correct?Even loaded to mag length, the oal is long. I just sat down to start loading this rifle this eve. I am using the new Sierra game changers in 140 gr over H4831sc and Cci 200's. Should I try a mag primer to make the most of the extra capacity.? This particular rifle has always grouped well with factory offerings in 130 gr. I haven't used it in quite some time and well before I started reloading.
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Many new rifles today have room in the chamber for the cartridge plus the company lawyer. Meaning a longer throat to lower pressure which isn't really that bad. I have a Savage .223 bolt action that has a longer throat than my AR15 rifles do.

I would load your .270 at the manuals recommended OAL and then experiment seating the bullet out longer. I see now they have added bullet weights of 160 and 170 grains so your longer throat might even help.
 
Any Remington I have loaded for has had a lawyer designed throat.

If it was my 270, I would seat to max mag length and then develop a load from there. I might exceed the book powder charge, but not the book velocity.
 
I would load so there's .277" of bullet shank in the neck of the cartridge, and tune the load with powder charge. You likely will be able to increase beyond manual loads/book max because you're dealing with a lot larger case capacity.
 
Not being able to reach the lands even with the long Remington magazine is likely more to due with the slender ogive of
the high BC bullets than the company lawyer. Try a more conventional bullet and you'll likely see order restored to the world.

Since you have them already; load maybe .030" shorter than the magazine for function and see what they do. You might get lucky.
 
I have experience loading for three very long throated rifles. The first was a "P17" (Enfield model of 1917) in 30-06, and I have applied some lessons learned from it to rifles chambered in 7X57 and 6.5-06.

The P17 had a throat so long that 150 gr Spitzer bullets would not engage the rifling until they were completely clear of the cartridge neck. In doing load development I ran into several "hangfires" with the lighter loads, the phenomenon apparently disappearing with higher pressures. I think that the hangfires developed due to a sudden and severe drop in pressure when the bullet was in "limbo" (neither in the neck, nor engaged with the rifling). With higher pressures, perhaps the cartridge neck was tightly sealed against the chamber reducing the pressure loss. In any event, I changed to a longer bullet that remained in the cartridge neck when engaged with the rifling and never again experienced a hangfire. In the 7X57 I use the flat-base Hornady 175 gr RN, as 140 gr BT Spitzers are too short, and in the 6.5-06, the flat-base Lapua 155 gr "Mega", as again, the popular BT 140 gr Spitzers are too short.

I keep the Loaded OAL to Mag Length - 0.030" (as already suggested), and keep the full length of bullet in the cartridge neck. There's still a jump of about 0.100" to the rifling in these rifles, but accuracy remains pleasing. With the extra case capacity, I can go 1-2 grains above published maxes, but I don't.

I suggest:

- see how much of the bullet remains in the cartridge neck at the point where the rifling is engaged;
- if it's still in the neck, develop loads as usual; or
- if it's not still in the neck, you could look at a longer bullet that will, perhaps the Sierra 150 gr GameKing.

Sierra 140 gr "GameChanger"

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Sierra 150 gr "GameKing"

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When Win was owned by GIAT they buggered up the model 70 FWT's with so short a throat that Hornady moved the cannalure on their 130 and 140SPBT .
 
my buddy's Tikka 300wm has over .200" freebore with a 180gr Nosler Accubond loaded to mag length. Still shoots sub moa
 
Thanks for the input everyone. I think I am going to go with .030" under mag length and start from there. As it stands, I can seat these bullets to a c.o.a.l of 3.50" and fit easily in the mag with plenty of shank in the case.I have some 130 partitions and accubonds to tinker with as well.
 
Loaded to fit the magazine my 280ai has 0.106" jump, this reduces pressure compared to 'jammed' ~3300psi.

Add a bit more powder for a bit more velocity.

I see no down side for practical purposes on jumping bullets within reason , therefore load to magazine for hunting 10-15 thou off for targets.
 
Thanks gents. I understand the idea behind the excess throat length I believe. Purely intentional to keep pressures down regardless of ammo choice?

When the 270 Win was designed in 1925 the 130 grain SP bullet was the only bullet used. Initial 130 Factory Ammo offering was listed at 3140 fps but later reduced to 3060 fps so the Saami operating pressure was established at 65000 PSI and a 1"-10" twist rate established. The Saami 0 degree 47' 33" throat starts at .2783" bore diameter, with Zero Frebore. and extends 0.300" to the .270 bore diameter. This in effect created a freebored situation much like Weatherby adopted and the round ogive of the original bullets contacted the lands quicker than the LR bullets they are building today. That and the faster twist that these longer heavier bullets require make the 270 Win Marginal for the Long Range Hunting that these bullets were designed for.

The best way for you to approach loading the 140 TGK bullets is use their recommended COL of 3.3" and work up with one of the powders they recommend. See link: https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/forms/270_wincheter_sierra_gamechanger_load_data.pdf
 
When the 270 Win was designed in 1925 the 130 grain SP bullet was the only bullet used. Initial 130 Factory Ammo offering was listed at 3140 fps but later reduced to 3060 fps so the Saami operating pressure was established at 65000 PSI and a 1"-10" twist rate established. The Saami 0 degree 47' 33" throat starts at .2783" bore diameter, with Zero Frebore. and extends 0.300" to the .270 bore diameter. This in effect created a freebored situation much like Weatherby adopted and the round ogive of the original bullets contacted the lands quicker than the LR bullets they are building today. That and the faster twist that these longer heavier bullets require make the 270 Win Marginal for the Long Range Hunting that these bullets were designed for.

The best way for you to approach loading the 140 TGK bullets is use their recommended COL of 3.3" and work up with one of the powders they recommend. See link: https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/forms/270_wincheter_sierra_gamechanger_load_data.pdf

Thanks, I'll check that out.
 
When the 270 Win was designed in 1925 the 130 grain SP bullet was the only bullet used. Initial 130 Factory Ammo offering was listed at 3140 fps but later reduced to 3060 fps so the Saami operating pressure was established at 65000 PSI and a 1"-10" twist rate established. The Saami 0 degree 47' 33" throat starts at .2783" bore diameter, with Zero Frebore. and extends 0.300" to the .270 bore diameter. This in effect created a freebored situation much like Weatherby adopted and the round ogive of the original bullets contacted the lands quicker than the LR bullets they are building today. That and the faster twist that these longer heavier bullets require make the 270 Win Marginal for the Long Range Hunting that these bullets were designed for.

The best way for you to approach loading the 140 TGK bullets is use their recommended COL of 3.3" and work up with one of the powders they recommend. See link: https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/forms/270_wincheter_sierra_gamechanger_load_data.pdf

Thank you for that information. I will check out that link. I have a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 in 270 Winchester and I am reloading Nosler Long Range AccuBond 150 grain bullets for it using IMR 7977 powder.
 
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