Reason why m305 is a good hunting rig

Heres some troll food....

Any $5000 plus O/U shotgun are the real menace to society.....pure deadly killing machines...and of beyond military quality....as well it is rumoured they can be converted into a weapon powerful enuf to take african big game...in fact they are derived from the same platform that african poachers use to take endangered species

Surely these things should be banned...nuthin more evil...and skip the "buyback" and go straight to confiscation as they are entirely too expensive for that ...even for SirSox deep pockets
 
The "stupidly heavy" rifle that weighs about as much as any of my scoped hunting rifles, though?

My Winchester 70 was 7.75 lbs. Add a 1 lb scope and rings, you're up to just about 9 lbs. Maybe thats not a mountain rig, sure. But thats a horse for a course. If someone can't carry an M14 for a day they're in pretty sad shape and exceptional.

Although I admit they are a pig when scoped compared to a bolt gun, still. Not undoable.

Difficult to load quietly is fair enough. If walking around with a bud I'm not a fan of a loaded rifle. Still hunting in a blind, or on my own though? Sure, why not. Ain't like the safety isn't hard to engage. Never noticed an undue rattle, but maybe using the shorter 5 round mag helped there.

Can't say I've seen any real loss of accuracy when shot from field positions either. Not off the bench, but yknow, the positions and situations in which you actually kill deer in the field. Unless you really need to be taking 400-500 meter shots, the idea of it not being accurate enough is asinine.

It ain't like an iron sighted Win 94 or sporterized Enfield shoots rings around them either and I hear those have killed a moose or deer or two.

I'll say one thing as far as they go...lots of other semis end up needing repairs first, like a Remington jam-o-matic that you need specialized tools to take apart. Might not be a big deal for the guy who shoots 5 shots a year and hunts deer for a week. Til it is.

Not seeing anything that really makes it a "bad" hunting rig. Great one? Not really. But not "good"? I can't go that far.

Where's Otokiak running around in minus ridiculous temperatures smoking caribou with his lol
 
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Joel said:
The "stupidly heavy" rifle that weighs about as much as any of my scoped hunting rifles, though?

My Winchester 70 was 7.75 lbs. Add a 1 lb scope and rings, you're up to just about 9 lbs. Maybe thats not a mountain rig, sure. But thats a horse for a course. If someone can't carry an M14 for a day they're in pretty sad shape and exceptional.

Although I admit they are a pig when scoped compared to a bolt gun, still. Not undoable.

Difficult to load quietly is fair enough. If walking around with a bud I'm not a fan of a loaded rifle. Still hunting in a blind, or on my own though? Sure, why not. Ain't like the safety isn't hard to engage. Never noticed an undue rattle, but maybe using the shorter 5 round mag helped there.

Can't say I've seen any real loss of accuracy when shot from field positions either. Not off the bench, but yknow, the positions and situations in which you actually kill deer in the field. Unless you really need to be taking 400-500 meter shots, the idea of it not being accurate enough is asinine.

It ain't like an iron sighted Win 94 or sporterized Enfield shoots rings around them either and I hear those have killed a moose or deer or two.

I'll say one thing as far as they go...lots of other semis end up needing repairs first, like a Remington jam-o-matic that you need specialized tools to take apart. Might not be a big deal for the guy who shoots 5 shots a year and hunts deer for a week. Til it is.

Not seeing anything that really makes it a "bad" hunting rig. Great one? Not really. But not "good"? I can't go that far.

Where's Otokiak running around in minus ridiculous temperatures smoking caribou with his lol
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I don't have one anymore to weigh it, but I am guessing 10+ pounds for the naked rifle, maybe more. By the time you add a scope and mount, it's gotta be well over 11. But, having hunted it once, I just can't imagine a reason to want to repeat it. Are you actually suggesting that it carries and handles as well as a bolt rifle weighing several pounds less?

Or, are you suggesting that because it is "accurate enough", that it is as effective as a typical bolt rifle? Accuracy is fun for its own sake; getting a Norc M305 to shoot as well as, say, an entry-level bargain-basement bolt gun is part of its charm. Shooting a rifle with a fine crisp trigger is fun for its own sake; let me know when that description fits your Norc.

Comparing the Norc to a Rem semi-auto does indeed make it look good. That's one of best uses for those guns: to make other guns shine.

Saying that the Norc isn't suitable for hunting would indeed be asinine; of course it can be used and I wouldn't suggest otherwise. But suggesting that it is as good a hunting rig as a decent bolt gun...or a Win94...or almost anything else...is flat-out BS. You hunt with a M14-type because its quirks make it fun, not because it's particularly effective for the purpose.
 
Between Bergaras and Remington 700s with TriggerTech triggers and a Kimber Talkeetna that were in my stable, I know a good trigger when I shoot one too. None of them have ever been make or break in a hunting situation. Nice to have? Sure. Need to have? Absolutely not. Care if I have one when shooting deer at a hundred yards? Honestly, not really. Done it with Enfields, Garands, a 98k, and some fine expensive rifles too. They all worked. Can't say I ever, ever thought "oh wow, I wish this trigger was crisper or lighter" when shooting animals.

Accuracy for the sake of accuracy is fun, sure. I enjoy shooting very accurate rifles off a bench as well. What I meant was that since when I am hunting, I won't be shooting at a bench, but from a field position, and the killzone of a moose or deer is not an MOA or better target, the accuracy factor is absolutely moot. So yeah, actually I think the M14 is as accurate as the most accurate bolt rifle in the world....if I am shooting it offhand. Or from a cold ass chair in a cold ass blind.If I could consistently outshoot an M14 from field positions I'd be making an exceptional living as a competitive shooter right now and living the dream.

Alas.

An animal would have to be pretty far indeed to be out of range of the effective accuracy of an M14. If I thought that situation was likely to come up I would carry a different rifle. Say, moose across clear cuts and I really wasn't confident in opportunities to call them closer. Can't say I've ever passed on any shot because an animal was too far away yet.

As for weight, allowing for variances in stock weight, etc...an unscoped M14 weighs on average 9.2 lbs. So did my Win 70 Safari Express in 375 H&H. Never had a problem carrying either. And yes that one was also a pig when it was scoped lol.

Do I think the M14 is as good as a Model 94 to hunt with?

Absolutely every bit as good, IF you are an even reasonably fit adult and in a situation where carrying a loaded rifle is safe. Barring that, I'll take the 94. Otherwise, yeah man. Same with handling. Handles as nice as my M77RSI? Nope. Well enough that I don't feel bad with it? Absolutely. Every day.

Again, not saying its great. Saying it IS good, and no complaints about it actually preclude being sucessful with it, which is the measure of whether or not it works.

So not really saying it is every bit the equal of great hunting rifles. Just that the complaints of WHY it isn't as great are (IMO, and this is subjective) quite petty in my grand scheme of things.
 
Oh well, to each his own opinion...at least as long as we are still legally entitled to have opinions...:)

My opinion: it's good enough for hunting...barely...but it's not even remotely good.
 
With a bit of practice, the peep sights on the rifle shoot really well. If you are not familiar with shooting with peep sights, they shoot much better than you would think, looking through them. Without a scope and mount, the rifle remains a lot lighter and slim. True to its design.
 
I've spent many days in the field with an M14 type rifle and it is absolutely an effective and appropriate hunting rifle if hunting with a semi auto is your thing.
I've take BC moose, black bear and numerous mule deer with the platform and that .308 pill was delivered as effectively as any bolt gun out there.
The irons on the m14 are excellent and most of the animals I've taken were with irons. Longest shot I think was 175 to 200 yards.
My go to truck/atv gun is a shortened and lightened rifle in a composite stock with pistol grip and adjustable buttstock.
It weighs a few ounces less than my other hunting rifles so I don't see any reason not to hunt with it.
While it's not always my go to hunting rifle while hiking around, it's always in the truck, camp or on the atv rack when I am in the back country.
would trust my life to my rifle and I've made it as reliable , light and as accurate as possible.
 
The last deer I shot was with my M305.

I worked up a load for it with what think was 110 grain Sierra hollow points, if I recall.

When one of the guys came around to field dress the deer he was amazed how there was no meat damage but the internal organs were mush and no exit wound. He said he had never seen such a perfect kill.

As for the factory sights, they are awful for deer hunting if the deer does not stand still in bright light and forget about it in low light. Some years back a deer ran by and it was impossible to find in that rear aperture and I swore I would never use it to hunt that way again. If you insist on irons, drill out the hole to a much larger size.

I put a scope on it and my problem was solved.

But, as stated above, the weight makes for good exercise and is not for the faint of heart.

I do hope to hunt with it again some day.
 
Maple57 said:
The last deer I shot was with my M305.

I worked up a load for it with what think was 110 grain Sierra hollow points.

When one of the guys came around to field dress the deer he was amazed how there was no meat damage but the internal organs were mush. He said he had never seen such a perfect kill.
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That perfect kill was the result of a good bullet travelling at a sufficient velocity and delivered to the vital zone. The same bullet at that speed, delivered to the same place would have achieved the same result if it had been shot from...you know...an actual hunting rifle...:) :stirthepot2:
 
jjohnwm said:
That perfect kill was the result of a good bullet travelling at a sufficient velocity and delivered to the vital zone. The same bullet at that speed, delivered to the same place would have achieved the same result if it had been shot from...you know...an actual hunting rifle...:) :stirthepot2:
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Oh ya... even though the rifle had a 20 round mag that was pinned to 5.... I still only shot it once.

I suppose I wasn't liberally correct in 2020 terms though. Probably should have been dressed in plaid, smoking a pipe and used some sort of break action shotgun carried with the action open and trigger locked until the deer presented itself and fired some sort of lead free ammo.
 
Miss having mine for beatin around the deer woods too :( \

Same for the Garand. Put a lot of venison in the freezer with one of those too, back when the Danes were $450 or so. Wow.

Its even heavier ;)
 
Nightstalker said:
Still available in Australia.........the country that everyone says banned all semi auto firearms and has the toughest gun laws that Canada should adopt

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=167635

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Yes, but IIRC from when I lived there, you need a primary producers licence to get semis. Need to prove you own/work on a farm basically. I did a lot of pest control on a friends farm and couldn't get the licencing for a semi/pump gun.
 
i know a local that was not collecting nor hauling wood and he used well for grizzly caribou and moose ... seems as he voted for JT he got punished where he sinned ... and im sorry for all of you that did not lost yours in a boat accident ...
 
medvedqc said:
i know a local that was not collecting nor hauling wood and he used well for grizzly caribou and moose ... seems as he voted for JT he got punished where he sinned ... and im sorry for all of you that did not lost yours in a boat accident ...
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If I have one rule in life... it's never vote for a politician who has a background in DRAMA.
 
I had plans to use mine as a good off a hill deer gun. Are there superior options? Of course, oodles of them infact. But its nice to use something unique, different and interesting.
 
Simple fact of the matter is this:
1) Some guys like to hunt with the M1a / M-305.
2) Some guys (perhaps most) like to be able to make that decision for themselves instead of having some bureaucrat who clearly hates them and is both prejudiced and biased making that decision for them.
3) Since not being suitable for hunting (suitable, not preferred) is one of those bureaucrat's main talking points, maybe you guys who don't PREFER them for hunting should just do us ALL a favor and shut the F up.
 
I've hunted with my M14 a couple years. Happened to get skunked every time. But it is a good rifle. Shoots straight and it's reliable. That's really all you can ask for from a rifle.
 
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