Rebarrel: 378Wby to .460Wby

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Does anyone know the issues, if any, and costs involved in rebarrelling a .378 Wby, Mark V action, to the .460 Wby? Any recommendations for a gunsmith in Northern BC who will do a great job of it?
Thanks
 
It should be pretty straight forward. There is usually a second recoil lug on the .460 barrels under the stock that is normally not there on a .378. This could be an issue if you are using a wooden stock, also there is another stock crossbolt and tenon in the wooden stock for a .460.
 
You must really like recoil:eek: I shoot 30-378 and 338-378 WBY Mag and have shot the 460 WBY Mag, and the recoil is Substantially more with the 460, even with a good muzzle break. There is 400 foot pounds more energy with the 300gr SP compaired to the 378 WBY go up to the 500gr and you are at 7800 foot pounds. What ever float yer boat I guess;)
 
I would charge $800 to rebarrel to 460 Wby stainless or chrome there is no problem with this conversion. I don’t know of any smiths in northern BC but I believe Bill Leaper is hiding out some where around Joffree BC. Rod
 
Whisky Creek said:
Does anyone know the issues, if any, and costs involved in rebarrelling a .378 Wby, Mark V action, to the .460 Wby? Any recommendations for a gunsmith in Northern BC who will do a great job of it?
Thanks
Try Corlane Sports in Dawson Creek.
 
Whisky Creek said:
Does anyone know the issues, if any, and costs involved in rebarrelling a .378 Wby, Mark V action, to the .460 Wby? Any recommendations for a gunsmith in Northern BC who will do a great job of it?
Thanks
Don't know about the issues but Bevan King did a great job on the barrel for my 505 and all the gunsmithing work for me. Bills Gunsmithing in Burns Lake did a great job on the Stocking etc.
 
Speer Chucker;

Any comments with regards to Casulls info. Would the rifle lack strength in the stock area and end up tearing it self loose without the 2nd recoil lug, and without the additional crossbolt and tenon he speaks of? I might have to guess that if Weatherby was doing it, there'd be a reason of sorts?
Thanks
 
Unless you are real attached to the 378 it would prob. be wise to sell it and buy a 460. I haven't shot a 460Wby. but the 378 was a fierce blast for sure, esp with heavy bullets. Good luck, Mark
 
Thanks for the info fellas. The question came up as I was considering buying a .378, at a decent price, to get the .460 made. After talking to a few gunsmiths I've come to the conclusion that I'm better off to buy a new factory .460, than spend the $1000 bedding, adding secondary lug and possibly crossbolt, etc... which puts me back at factory .460 Wby price. The only reason I was even thinking of getting a rifle in that calibre anyways, is because I don't have one. Have no plans of going to Africa anytime soon, just thought it'd be a nice thing to shoot off the back deck now and then. You know, on New Years, or when a cocky collegue starts flappin' his gums about being able to handle recoil so well, etc. etc.:eek:
Clint
 
In my opinion the shock and ah factor can be done with the 338-378 WBY, Waaaay more than the average person has ever experianced. The 460 might just bring on a civil suit when it breaks someone collar bone or breast plate. Like I said before, shot one once and that cured me of ever owning one. BTW I`m 6' 230 pounds and it rattled the hell out of me with the 500 grainers. The flinch it developed was Very hard to cure. what ever floats yer boat...lol
 
I have owned and shot a .460 quite a bit. I would not buy another one. Ammo is very expensive, even the brass is hard to come by. It kicks for sure, but there are others that kick harder and hit harder at the muzzle. It would make an expensive novelty gun. I built a .50/460 last winter which is a .460Wby necked up to shoot .50 bullets. Most of the time you will shoot the .460 with reduced loads, which work fine. The only real advantage I see of a .460 is if you want to shoot .45 bullets really flat, it does that. I would much prefer the smaller .45 rounds for hunting. I did shoot a grizzly and a black bear with the .460 and of course it worked just fine. It is a nice round to chuck those big Barnes X bullets at high speeds for a .45. But it's hardly needed. I like the bigger bullets moving slower for hunting and when I want a .45, I like my Rugers in .45/70 better.
The recoil mystery that follows the .460 is pretty funny really. The .460 is not going to break any bones or do any permanent damage. As long as your a healthy adult at least and know how to shoot. It does kick more than the average shooter has probably experienced. It can be mastered for sure with some practice. With recoil, big guys offer more resistance and the theory is, these are harder to move and the gun hits them harder as opposed to smaller shooter being moved and rolling more with the rifle. My obsevations here are that medium sized guys in good shape fair the best in recoil. If you are "soft", it is going to hurt more for sure. I have been shooting these big bores a long time and every round and load I can find. I don't mind recoil and I've owned and used much larger than the .460, such as the .50/460, .50/140, .577 NE and now a .600 JDJ. It's practice and good form in my opinion. I am a medium sized person, 5'11" and 205-210lbs. in decent shape. I think it's just a matter of getting used to recoil and learning to control it.
With the .460, much of the great effect everyone talks about is the noise and blast. When you light 125 grains of powder at high pressure behind a 500 grain bullet, there is severe blast and the noise is very noticable. That is true of the smaller rounds based on the .460 case too. There is so much happening that the recoil is only a small bit of it. And it all seems very impressive.
There are two factors of recoil, weight and speed. Some fast rounds seem to hit you hard, but what they are doing is hitting you quickly. Like a .45/70 hits reasonably hard, but not fast. A .338-378 hits very fast but not very hard. The .460 hits both hard and fast and this seems to overwhelm a lot of shooters.
I have seen a lot of people try my big bores. Some people never want to touch one at all, but most say, that wasn't so bad, I would do it again.
Many .460s have muzzle breaks too, these do take away from the recoil weight, but they add to the blast and noise, making the effect even worse for many shooters. The best way to prepare for one of those in my opinion is to put ear plug under your shooting muffs. With the noise under control, the whole thing seems milder.
I guess it's up to you if you want a very expensive rifle to own and feed, just to pull out every now and then to show off. Or do you really intend to use it? The .460 will do about everything as far as hunting is concerned. It will throw 350 grain bullets over 3000fps. It is just amazing at long range with 400 grain X bullets. But with the factory load of 500s at 2700 fps. it's a lot of gun for the game you will normally encounter.
Then there is the matter of bullets. Most bullets are designed for the .458Win. velocities. There were stories of guys in Africa where the .458s were out penetrating the .460s because they both used the same bullets and the bullets came apart at .460 speeds. Most guides and PHs will flinch at a hunter showing up with a .460. They are usually ornamental guns bought to show off rather than shoot a lot. If a guy shot a .460 enough to get really good with it, you would have an incredible combination.
Look at the .416 Wby as an option too. It's a great performer on game.
I am looking for .460 brass if anyone has any. For other projects.
 
Quoted by Casull

The .460 is not going to break any bones or do any permanent damage. As long as your a healthy adult at least and know how to shoot. It does kick more than the average shooter has probably experienced.

Ever benched one short sleves?:eek: ;)
I may have been over stating a wee bit about the broken bones, but you hit the nail on the head when you said IF shot by an experianced shooter. Just for ####s n giggles it`s abit much IMHO.:rolleyes:
 
I haven't fired a .460 off a bench with short sleeves. I learned that lesson quite a few years ago with a .416 Rigby on a hot day. Definitely skins you pretty deep and leaves a memory. You want to be careful with all the big rifles in this category, but if you have a good hold on them, them are not going to throw you to the ground or bust your shoulder or anything like that.
I do know a guy that broke his nose TWICE with the same .458. Some guys just never learn I guess. If you scope a big bore, use a good scope with lots of eye relief. And the funniest part of it was, there he stood with his nose under his right ear and blood pouring from inside and outside his nose. And he looks at me and seriously asks, " Want to finish sighting this for me?". I didn't touch that one, I have no interest in a cheap scope sticking out of my head permanently.
 
Hey fellas, here it is. Do you guys collect guns / rifles? Yeah, I do too. Do I hunt, yep you bet? Do I own any of my firearms to "show off", or do I hunt with all of the rifles I own. No sir. I'm just as proud to own my old single shot Cooey in .25 Stevens, or my .22 Win Auto Rimfire as I am my old Model 70 in .30-06 or my Mark V in .340 Wby Magnum. AND, as a matter of fact, I really detest the types of people whose main intention in life it is to "show off". If I had or chose to get into a .460 Wby rig, it would be because, I don't have one and I wanted one! When I sit here and look at my little modest collection, I've just come to the realization that everything I have is in a, for lack of a better term, "more traditional" caliber. I've got 9 rimfires of various calibres and actions, I've got a couple .30-06's, a couple .308's in different actions, a 100 year old .30-30, a .340Wby, a little .223, and a half dozen shotguns of different actions and guage, and a handful of sidearms, in different calibres and actions. I don't have any new fandangled, here today gone tomorrow, latest craze, Short mags, super short mags, ultra mags, SAUM, or any of the rest of that stuff that the so called "latest and greatest" is made of! What I do have, and am trying to do, is to have a nice representation of most calibre classes and in a variation of actions. I've never sold a firearm that I've owned, except once and then only to buy it back ten years later. I don't buy one because I want to impress anybody, BUT myself. Having said all that, the biggest calibre I presently own is the .340 Wby.
So, where to go from here, I ask myself? "Well, Self, you don't have any rediculously huge calibre rifles". "No, you are right I don't".... "Gee, it sure impresses ME that a number of publications have repetatively written things about the North American made .460 Wby, invented by good ol' Roy"! "Been around, and in a factory rifle, since 1958, so it looks like it'll stay a while."
"What do they say about it Self?" "Well, let me quote from one source which, it should be noted, was written in the late 70's early 80's."

"With more than 8000 ft/lbs of energy, it is the MOST POWERFUL factory cartridge adapted to sporting weapons. It is based on the same large belted case as the .378 Wby Magnum though it develops about 40 percent greater muzzle energy. The free-recoil energy of the full-charge load in the 10 1/2 pound Weatherby rifle is about 102 foot pounds, and firing one is a memorable experience..... The .460 Weatherby magnum is a most impressive cartridge though it's limited usefulness certainly restricts it's popularity to those who can afford an African safari, or can afford to indulge an inclination to own the most powerful factory rifle made anywhere in the world"

WOW, I can't afford an African Safari, but shooting one and being able to look at it and handle it on a cold, dark winter evening, in my gun room with a warm fire going in the stove, would sure put a smile on my face!
AND the cartride ballistics and what's been written about it numerous times, impresses the crap outta me! A North American, FACTORY, COMMON, able to go to store and buy one TODAY, cartridge that once held the title as being "the most power factory made rifle made anywhere in the world"....

To use the term offered earlier in this thread, "That DOES float my boat", and would definately fill a void in my collection in the "rediculously huge calibre' section. It is excessively large for hunting anything in North America and chances are I might never shoot anything with it. My .30-06 will realistically and effectively take any game that I would encounter in my hunting days.
But, it sure would be boring if we all only owned and carried a .30-06, now wouldn't it.

And to leave you with something I read once, here's one to set off some of you.... A lot of various manufacturers made rifle cartridges; Roy Weatherby just made them better....

Take care for now fellas,I'm off to
"Float my boat down Whisky Creek":)
 
Has anyone seen a .450 Rigby yet? Brno lists this caliber for their CZ550 action. But I have never seen one, and I once called the bigger shops I know of to see if they could get one and they all said they couldn't. I am not sure if any are coming into Canada or even North America.
The round is just the .416 Rigby necked up to .458" Which is basically what the .460 Wby. is. Since Weatherby first added a belt to the Rigby case and improved and put their should on it to make the .378, .460, .416, .338-378 and .30-378 Wby. rounds. They were far from the first to do it too, but they were the first to offer it in factory rifles and ammo.
I have seen some European and British rifles offered in .450 Rigby lately too. But, has anyone seen on on this side of the pond? There has to be a .500 Rigby coming too or maybe already done. Anyone know about these things?
 
Haven't seen or heard of these rounds that you speak of Casull, but I must, at this late hour and enjoying a whisky, argue that the Rigby case is not the parent case of the .378 Wby series of cartridges, in defense of the buried man known as Roy Weatherby. Belt and the rest as you've stated, but the fundamental case head dimensions are also not the same. Jes in the interest of conversation....;)
CLINT
 
Well, it's stated as so in many books. Necking up the Rigby was a pretty common wildcat. Lots did it, John Buhmiller had a whole line of rounds based on the Rigby and took a .450 and a .500 on the Rigby case to Africa and killed a lot of beasts with it. Roy Weatherby did the same and was in communication with Buhmiller on the results. Weatherby did up the first .378s in P14 actions. These first .378s had no belts, they were necked down .416 Rigbys and evolved to the double radius shoulder and then to the belt and some taper removed. The most recent book I read this in was one or both of Elmer Keith's "Gun Notes" books.
None of Weatherby's cases were originals to my knowledge except the .224 or .240 I forget which. His first, the .300 Wby. Is a just a .300 H&H with the taper removed and the double radius shoulder added. I have formed .300 Wby. from H&H. If you were to turn the belt off of a big Weatherby, you would be left with Rigby dimension. There are books that claim the .378 was an original also with something added like "you will notice the similarity to the Rigby" but the older book claim it was an evolution and did start with a .416 Rigby case. I wasn't there either, I can only go by what I have read and the obvious similarity between the two rounds.
 
Oh yes, for sure. When I got my first Rigby in 95, Rigby brass was almost impossible to get. I started with .460 cases, that was just all I could find. The .378 would have done the same, the .416 Weatherby came out around that time, that brass would be the same too. The first box of Rigby ammo I found, I got a deal on because it was on the shelf so long and it was $120/20. Another guy had some berdan primed cases for $10 per round. And there was not other brass to be found for awhile, it was frustrating. Then A Square started putting out ammo and it got better. When Federal starting loading the Rigby and making brass, everything changed. Now Norma brass is reasonably common too. I am still having a hard time finding .460 brass though. If anyone has any, I am interested in it.
 
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