Rebarreling Rem 700

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Just wondering, does it make any sense to install a high quality match barrel on Rem 700 action(or any other action) without truing and blueprinting it?
And once on this subject, could you guys tell me how much may it cost to true and blueprint Rem 700?
Thank you.

Regards, Kazimier
 
Considering the cost of rebarreling, why would you not spend the extra cash for truing the action to improve the likelihood of increased performance ?

Second, how can a gunsmith be expected to give assurance of workmanship without being given the go-ahead to cover all bases ?
 
dryfire said:
Considering the cost of rebarreling, why would you not spend the extra cash for truing the action to improve the likelihood of increased performance ?

Second, how can a gunsmith be expected to give assurance of workmanship without being given the go-ahead to cover all bases ?
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If you had only this to say you shouldn't bother. Anyway thank you for your time.

:cheers: Kazimier
 
I support what dryfire said.
Why would you handcuff a gunsmith?
Research what you want, tell us what you expect, what are your objectives, and I am sure the answers will be different.
Are you using this rifle as a hunting rifle or do you expect precission accuracy?
Perhaps you will find the answer only after you have spent your money and when it does not meet your expectations.
My son tells an interesting story from his experience working for Kenworth. The problem is solved best by paying $2100 in labour, and 700 in parts. The first part out in the series is worth 400, the 2nd 200, and the last 100. Regardless which part is defective, the labour is $2100. Choosing the $100 part may not be the way to go rather than paying the total.
When you ask a question and get an opinion based on experience why would you shoot the messenger?
 
I think he is getting at how much does the action effect the accuracy of the rifle. Realistically from seeing all of the different styles of actions out there I would dare say that a bedding job will have more of an effect on accuracy than blueprinting an action.

The rem 700sps tactical review on snipercentral shows they received a sub .5 MOA rifle out of the box with no bedding, factory barrel and un-blueprinted receiver; the 700sps varmint was a .75moa rifle with plastic stock and .5moa rifle with a hs precision stock. Based on this I would really not consider a rifle being 'handcuffed' with a non-blueprinted action, I would rather spend that blueprinting money on ammo for live fire practice or maybe towards a rifle course if available.

Having said that I think I will be trying just a barrel with nut as offered by mysticprecision on my mlr this spring without having a full on smith rebarrel it and losing the gun for a few months.
 
If you decide to screw on a match barrel (400+ for the barrel, couple hundred for chambering), why not go the extra step and get the action trued ($150~)? I have a 700 trued with a Hart 7WSM barrel and it shoots like a hot damn. Also getting a project 6BR built, same idea, Krieger with a trued 700.
 
Dryfire's answer was right to the point. If you don't want to take his advise save youself the $100-150 bucks and hope for the best, it's your money.
 
Are you referring to a full job on the action? Truing receiver face, barrel threads and locking abutments to the central axis, reaming the boltway, installing collars on the bolt to fit the enlarged boltway, squaring the locking lugs and boltface, lapping the lugs to the receiver, truing at least the bottom surface of the receiver? That isn't going to be $100-$150.
Guntech could give you a quote.
 
A close friend and shooting partner of mine had a 700 barrel and action that was a 6mm Rem. He had the factory barrel chamber chopped and reamed out for a 6BR. The action was trued by Denis Sorenson (Guntech) for $150ish.

His Factory barrel now shoots pretty much on par with my Match barrel. Does Dennis do good work....Yes. Was it worth it to true the action....Hell Yes.
 
Barks said:
A close friend and shooting partner of mine had a 700 barrel and action that was a 6mm Rem. He had the factory barrel chamber chopped and reamed out for a 6BR. The action was trued by Denis Sorenson (Guntech) for $150ish.

His Factory barrel now shoots pretty much on par with my Match barrel. Does Dennis do good work....Yes. Was it worth it to true the action....Hell Yes.
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Seen this so many times myself,,,than do your self a favour shot that factory barrel out and than look Shilen, Hart, Krieger..

If you are going to go that route accurize the whole action, & bedding. It will be money well spent.

I have said before some factory barrels shoot well, close to or as good as some match ones.
 
Armafix said:
Just wondering, does it make any sense to install a high quality match barrel on Rem 700 action(or any other action) without truing and blueprinting it?
And once on this subject, could you guys tell me how much may it cost to true and blueprint Rem 700?
Thank you.

Regards, Kazimier
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If you are going to the cost of a custom barrel, it makes little sense not to true up the action or properly bed it into the stock, factory or custom.
Its been a while since I've had a full custom job done, but I would say that purchasing, chambering, and installing a high quality custom barrel, truing the action, and doing some appropriate work to the factory stock (glass bed, pillar bed, cross bolt, fit to the shooter, and install a high quality pad) would probably run $1500 or so.
 
I don't know how much I believe in blueprinting Remington actions. Seems like a lot of work and money for little payoff. I never bothered to do it with my Remmy action when I had a custom barrel installed. I did everything else (bed/pillar) and such, and the rifle shoot extremely well. I inquired about it later and my GS told me why bother?
 
MagnumPeanut said:
I don't know how much I believe in blueprinting Remington actions. Seems like a lot of work and money for little payoff. I never bothered to do it with my Remmy action when I had a custom barrel installed. I did everything else (bed/pillar) and such, and the rifle shoot extremely well. I inquired about it later and my GS told me why bother?
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so you did no trueing no blue printing no bolt lapping and all?
since my rig will be identical to yours, except the optics and the caliber, might aswell copy a successful gun :)
 
here's another way to look at it. You only need to true the action the first time. A barrel will wear out eventually, and you will then be ready for another barrelling job. No need to retrue the action for each new installation.
 
I have seen new and old 700 actions that were quite good as far as being "true" as well as some that were quite out of "true".

All I have been able to establish is they vary, regardless of age and I recommend to true all 700 actions before installing a new barrel.

There is no doubt that in order to wring the most accuracy from a rifle, it is important the action is quite true. A quality barrel needs to be installed in as "true" a manner as possible.

I now charge $150 to "true" a 700 action. This is a reasonable one time cost for making the bolt face and lugs true to the bolt body and making the action face, threads and lugging lock recesses true to the bolt race. This is all that really needs to be done to get great accuracy potential from a 700.

If you click on MY HOMEPAGE you can read and see just how I do this.
 
remington

Buy a remington 40x in single shot or repeater. They do all the work and you only have to purchase a stock to your liking.
I have a few 40x single shots and repeaters. The stock of my choice is mcmillan with the winchester model 70 steel trigger guard for the repeaters. Remington stocks on the single shots.
 
The short answer is that it depends on the action. Some come out of the factory pretty darned good. Having an action accurized is a smart idea. Ensuring the lugs make equal contact is important for long range precision. It only needs to be done once so in my book it is money well spent.
 
dryfire said:
Considering the cost of rebarreling, why would you not spend the extra cash for truing the action to improve the likelihood of increased performance ?

Second, how can a gunsmith be expected to give assurance of workmanship without being given the go-ahead to cover all bases ?
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guntech said:
I have seen new and old 700 actions that were quite good as far as being "true" as well as some that were quite out of "true".

All I have been able to establish is they vary, regardless of age and I recommend to true all 700 actions before installing a new barrel.

There is no doubt that in order to wring the most accuracy from a rifle, it is important the action is quite true. A quality barrel needs to be installed in as "true" a manner as possible.

I now charge $150 to "true" a 700 action. This is a reasonable one time cost for making the bolt face and lugs true to the bolt body and making the action face, threads and lugging lock recesses true to the bolt race. This is all that really needs to be done to get great accuracy potential from a 700.
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These are two answers to the same question. They basicly mean the same but.......

Why did I ask these questions? I have six Rem 700 rifles and all of them shoot under 1MOA with my pet reloads. They are all stock Remingtons as they came out of the boxes. It is pretty surprising since factory Remington barrels are notorious for lousy quality, at least this is what I read and hear everywhere. Two of them I want to rebarrel with faster twist barrels. They will still serve the same purpose as long range varmint killers; I don't plan to use them for any kind of competition. I'm not a novice to all range rifle shooting but I'm still in junior kindergarten when comes to dos and don'ts of accurising long range guns. Before I posted my question here I did some homework and asked some people about their opinions. The prevailing answer was negative. Even a guy from Brownells technical support told me that the only benefit of truing the hunting gun action will be my peace of mind. He said that if it shoots 1 MOA now it'll be shooting better after unless the rebarreling job is screwed up. Should I believe him?

All this is not about saving 150 bucks. If this were my objective I'd order a barrel, took it to Ellwood Epps and asked them to rebarrel the gun. There would be no questions asked, neither here nor at Brownells. But I am trying to learn about the misterious world of accurate rifle. These two rifles will most likely be trued because I like to sleep peacefully.

One more question. There is a split opinion about glass/epoxy bedding of pillar/aluminium block bedded rifles. I'm talking about hunting/varmint guns. Any input here?

:cheers: Kazimier
 
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