Rebuilding a SxS

H Wally

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I was lucky enough to aquire an old side by side in 12 gauge a while back. It was definitely in rough shape, so I decided to repair, reblu and in short, remake it.

Unfortunately I don't have any pre work pics, but this may give you an idea of what I started with.

Keep in mind this is after using a screw driver to scrape the gum from the action. It looks like progressive years of gun oil dried into a progressively deeper layer of axle grease like material that would have protected the internals from a small thermo-nuclear explosion.

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In progress, after about half an hour of coarse steel wool and wire brushing to remove scale on the surface.

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After a wire wheel session. At least it isn't red any more. I wouldn't normally use a wire wheel, but I didn't see any fine markings that would be ruined by the wheel. I would possibly use a buffing wheel and paste on something finer.

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Hey, without the rust and mud, it's all matching!

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Zinc phosphating all the parts. After having thoroughly cleaned and degreased the parts with soapy hot water, I went a step further and dipped them in a vat of zinc phosphate. It has the dual purpose of using acid to remove any still remaining rust, and then putting a thin layer of zinc onto the metal, providing a layer of protection very similar to parkerizing your guns. The beauty of this is that no heating processes or noxious fumes are involved. Each part was scrubbed, placed in a tin, on a piece of wire, or in the barrels case, on a piece of doweling to avoid touching the phosphated surface and leave glove prints in the drying zinc.

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There are no pics of the bluing process, as I got into something of a frenzy, but it goes as follows.

1) rescrub all parts in hot soapy water, wear rubber gloves to avoid oil transfer to the metal.

2) attach a short hook of wire to each part that will take one and place it back in it's degreased tin.

3) remove all the racks from your oven and place one back as high in the oven as possible - this will be your "hanging rack". Remember that your oven is, and will always be greasy, do not let your gloved hands or parts touch any aspect of it. This includes oven door handles, as they'll always hold grease. Tie a long rag securely to it and use that to open and close it.

4) check and realise that most of the wires holding the metal parts are too long and let the metal parts touch various greasy parts of the oven. Shorten almost all of them so there's not only enought room to hang, but remove and replace them without burning yourself. Very short hook ends help with this process.

5) preheat oven to 100-140 degrees. Any hotter and you may get burnt, drop the parts, etc. Also when the oven turns on to maintain the temperature, it will heat the parts a little hotter. You have been warned, and rubber gloves will melt to skin very quickly. Extra heat also tends to create more "bad bluing" as I've called it (the appearance of unsightly red rus in big splotches... 110-120 degrees seems to properly heat the metal without creating much of the bad bluing).

6) while the parts are heating set up your bluing spot somewhere well ventilated where floor stains dont matter. A covered area outside is best. Set up a table covered in card board, a chair, a lot of clean rags, and some old tooth brushes.

7) Remove one part at a time, dash outside, and scrub part with solution and tool of your choice. I used Brownells super blu and it worked amazingly. The first time applying to a hot piece of metal requires a LOT of bluing, and it will froth and vaporize quite quickly. Keep working and scrubbing it in, keeping in mind any splotches or streaks will work out over time. You may also get creamy white to rusty red streaking or splotches where the bluing solution evaporated too quickly. Try to scrub these out as they appear. Work the piece until it is cooled.

8) return piece to oven, repeat with each part 3-5 more times, with the 4th and 5th times being unheated and merely working on light patches or rusty looking patches. It will look ok, but not great right now.

9)Oil with a rag and set aside somewhere open to set for the next 24 hours.

View the result!

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That looks like a fun and rewarding project, thanks for sharing! I have one question though... the deep rust pit visible in the picture on the underside of the barrels would concern me. the one on the left barrel, forward of the fore-end hook. If it were me, that gun would just be a very nice decoration.
 
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I looked at that too. I don't think I'll be shooting it much (more because I don't really use shotguns), but I've put a box of federal 2 3/4 through the two barrels and it had no ill effects ( braced in a rig with a string to each trigger; didn't want to put in the effort then have it explode).
 
Nice work! Wouldn't bead blasting been a lot quicker though in removing the rust?

Probably, but I'm dirt poor, so sand paper and time is what I had, access to a sand blasting cabinet was what I didn't:p

Good on you for rescuing that old girl from the scrap heap. I'm working on a similar project. I guess I'd better take some "before" pictures...

Definitely - It's always more impressive when people can see what it was.

Very nicely done. Actually kinda inspiring!

I hoped it might be. I've never refinished a gun before so I was flying by the seat of my pants, but this one turned out so well I've got two other guns that are beat up, and now I feel confident I can bubba them back to a new functioning life. As long as you aren't wrecking a historically significant piece, it's the most fun you can have with your pants on!
 
That is a Stevens Model 235?
You did a good job, putting that old guy back into respectable condition.
Here is wirewheel trick. Use a wheel with fine wire. Break it in on some scrap. Then, when working on gun parts, don't use the face of the wheel, use the side and corner of the wheel, so the wheel has a wiping action. With a fine wheel and light pressure, you can remove superficial rust, and leave bluing behind, assuming there is any left. By varying the part fo the wheel used, and pressure, you can get different effects. Scab rust can be removed with a sharpened brass scraper and oil.
Good idea to testfire if you have any doubts, although that gun has fluid steel barrels intended for smokeless powder.
You posted pictures of a Belgian double hammer gun. I would suggest, as a skill building exercise, to try to restore what is there, rather than stripping it right down to bare metal. If you do decide to refinish the barrels, strike and polish them, then hot water blue them, if they are steel, or etch and brown them if welded.
Crudded over engravings can be brought back using oil and a fine needle to clean out the cuts. Done carefully, there is no evidence of what was done, except that the engraving now stands out.
My first major restoration project was a Belgian double barrel 13ga. muzzle loader I bought at an auction, sans its locks for $4.50. Made a pair of back action locks, inletted some wood patches in, generally cleaned it up, fired it with heavy charges and a long string. Hunted with it for a couple of years. Still remember my first ml grouse.
 
This would have been a perfect candidate for the electrolysis method of rust removal. 6V trickle charger, washing soda, and a sacrificial anode (iron bar). It also removes bluing supposedly, but your had none anyway. Gets the rust out of pits, crevices, etc.
 
That is a Stevens Model 235?
You did a good job, putting that old guy back into respectable condition.
Here is wirewheel trick. Use a wheel with fine wire. Break it in on some scrap. Then, when working on gun parts, don't use the face of the wheel, use the side and corner of the wheel, so the wheel has a wiping action. With a fine wheel and light pressure, you can remove superficial rust, and leave bluing behind, assuming there is any left. By varying the part fo the wheel used, and pressure, you can get different effects. Scab rust can be removed with a sharpened brass scraper and oil.
Good idea to testfire if you have any doubts, although that gun has fluid steel barrels intended for smokeless powder.
You posted pictures of a Belgian double hammer gun. I would suggest, as a skill building exercise, to try to restore what is there, rather than stripping it right down to bare metal. If you do decide to refinish the barrels, strike and polish them, then hot water blue them, if they are steel, or etch and brown them if welded.
Crudded over engravings can be brought back using oil and a fine needle to clean out the cuts. Done carefully, there is no evidence of what was done, except that the engraving now stands out.
My first major restoration project was a Belgian double barrel 13ga. muzzle loader I bought at an auction, sans its locks for $4.50. Made a pair of back action locks, inletted some wood patches in, generally cleaned it up, fired it with heavy charges and a long string. Hunted with it for a couple of years. Still remember my first ml grouse.

To be honest I have no idea what it was. Whatever stamping there was rusted off a while ago. I scrubbed each side looking for markings but only found what looked like a "ge" . Part of the reason I went to town with a heavy wheel, as I didn't think there was much to loose.

Some questions on the belgian gun, how would one clean it of what is fairly extensive rust without removing a lot of the bluing that's all around it?

Also, for hot water bluing am I right in thinking you're talking about rust bluing? I may have the wrong term for it, but using chemicals and humidity to rust the metal then boiling water to force it to black iron oxide? (I had originally wanted to do that on the first one, but got on a roll and only had access to super blu.)

Do you think electrolysis would be a good starting point for this project, as grouse man suggested? As the rust is patched and small it would be otherwise difficult to remove. Also, wouldn't that just leave mangy rust prone patches on the gun afterwards?

This would have been a perfect candidate for the electrolysis method of rust removal. 6V trickle charger, washing soda, and a sacrificial anode (iron bar). It also removes bluing supposedly, but your had none anyway. Gets the rust out of pits, crevices, etc.

Actually I forgot all about electrolysis. I may use that on some parts of my other SxS. Probably would have helped when I spent hours with a dental pick:redface:.
 
Try the wire wheel, fine wire, broken in, side edge of the wheel. With a light touch, rust can be removed without cutting right through to bare metal, if you are careful.
By hot water blue, I mean the process where you boil the cleaned steel, pull it out, should dry right away, swab on solution, back in boiling water, out, card rust, boil, out, apply more sol'n, boil, out, card, boil, etc, until colour suits. Really fine bluing can be done this way.
 
Try the wire wheel, fine wire, broken in, side edge of the wheel. With a light touch, rust can be removed without cutting right through to bare metal, if you are careful.
By hot water blue, I mean the process where you boil the cleaned steel, pull it out, should dry right away, swab on solution, back in boiling water, out, card rust, boil, out, apply more sol'n, boil, out, card, boil, etc, until colour suits. Really fine bluing can be done this way.

The solution can be any cold bluing solution?
 
For those of you who read this forum all that time ago.

I got this picture from the guy I sold it to:

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For those less in tune with today's back woods folk, it's a 5 tine pitch fork being held on with a pipe clamp and some welds.
 
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Did the same with an old Baikal single shot break action,303 and a old savage .22.......it is rewarding to rebuild/finnish and old firearm....I used these old guns as practice and found it worth the while to do that before starting a project that you really want to turn out nice...
 
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