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received my sks? no factory stamps/markings?
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well not sure which way the firing goes back in the block all I know is it moves freely either way any help
If you got that, you got what you paid for.
The note at the end seems to say they are all "Factory 26" rifles, but they likely have crates and crates of these things and didn't inspect every single rifle for markings.
This of it this way, your's is rarer haveing no markings...?
Still not sure why you didn't opt for a Russian model which is basically the same price?
Just to share some info with you and may this help.
In the history of chinese SKS making, during the 1950-70s, a lots of smaller size manufacturers were set up at remote countryside to prepare the potential war between China and America. But,those factories are not capable to produce major parts like barrel/receiver/hammer etc. so, factories like #216/#356/#296 will produce the major parts and sent to them for assembly.
The parts they sent out are never stamped with any maker's stamp but only the serial number because they don't know which factory will receive them. The smaller factory, usually have 4 digits code such as #9821/#5017, most of them does not have a marker stamp(works like branding today) and therefore no stamp on the gun, only the serial number. Most of the cases, the stock were installed after receiving the parts and only part of the serial number were pressed on the stock.
Those outsourced SKS once assembled, they were picked up by the military and transfer to the local military warehouse for storage, there are been several consolidation in Chinese military history where they merged and eliminated military regions, warehouse were merged too so the guns been moving around the country.
From what i know, only military firearm require serial numbers on all major parts, its for two major purpose. One, the gun will be assigned to a soldier, he must took the reasonability for the gun and make the gun as complete unit. The gun is government property. Second, it's for help indentifying the reminds of the solider if he/she died.
The best way to separate Chinese military SKS and civilian-force SKS is the receiver. If its forged, it was made for military use. If its riveted receiver , its for civilian use.
In the early 90s, lots of used SKS were sold in the US market and those SKS were either used military or civilian version. Serial numbers may not match because those were basically recycled at different factories.
The SKS you received, has all matching serial number and everything looks brand new, never fired. From the picture, which i am not very sure, but looks like the receiver is forged and even the stock has a serial number. That tells me everything is authentic.
In the history of chinese SKS making, during the 1950-70s, a lots of smaller size manufacturers were set up at remote countryside to prepare the potential war between China and America. But,those factories are not capable to produce major parts like barrel/receiver/hammer etc. so, factories like #216/#356/#296 will produce the major parts and sent to them for assembly.
The parts they sent out are never stamped with any maker's stamp but only the serial number because they don't know which factory will receive them. The smaller factory, usually have 4 digits code such as #9821/#5017, most of them does not have a marker stamp(works like branding today) and therefore no stamp on the gun, only the serial number. Most of the cases, the stock were installed after receiving the parts and only part of the serial number were pressed on the stock.
Those outsourced SKS once assembled, they were picked up by the military and transfer to the local military warehouse for storage, there are been several consolidation in Chinese military history where they merged and eliminated military regions, warehouse were merged too so the guns been moving around the country.
From what i know, only military firearm require serial numbers on all major parts, its for two major purpose. One, the gun will be assigned to a soldier, he must took the reasonability for the gun and make the gun as complete unit. The gun is government property. Second, it's for help indentifying the reminds of the solider if he/she died.
The best way to separate Chinese military SKS and civilian-force SKS is the receiver. If its forged, it was made for military use. If its riveted receiver , its for civilian use.
In the early 90s, lots of used SKS were sold in the US market and those SKS were either used military or civilian version. Serial numbers may not match because those were basically recycled at different factories.
The SKS you received, has all matching serial number and everything looks brand new, never fired. From the picture, which i am not very sure, but looks like the receiver is forged and even the stock has a serial number. That tells me everything is authentic.
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sunny sun thanks for the info, I also got your pm forgot to mention the thanks , I think my trigger group may be milled vs stamped but im not sure, as for going with a russian, All the russians I can find are refurbs where this seems to be all original
sunny, how can you tell what year my rifle was made?
, I think my trigger group may be milled vs stamped but im not sure, as for going with a russian, All the russians I can find are refurbs where this seems to be all original sunny, how can you tell what year my rifle was made?
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The "16" prefix is a date code.
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The top of the two pictures in sunnysun's post is actually a 625 factory SKS, not a 626 or a 26. The 6 of the 625 is the outside triangle. The two is plain to see, and the 5 might look like a 6, but the loop on the bottom half of the number doesn't look like it is a full loop.
I have a Factory 625 SKS (and so does my brother). The first two digits of the serial number on my SKS are 15. The stamping on mine seems to be a bit more clear and refined than the one in the picture - but that could be the picture, or the cosmoline.
There's some debate about the prefix date code. Some argue that we only have real data for Factory 26 date codes, and that those prefix codes aren't valid for non-Factory 26 SKSs. I don't care either way... Threaded barrel, and it functions like a firearm should (ie, goes bang when you want it to).
I wish I had a Factory 26 SKS though - just for historical purposes.
I have a Factory 625 SKS (and so does my brother). The first two digits of the serial number on my SKS are 15. The stamping on mine seems to be a bit more clear and refined than the one in the picture - but that could be the picture, or the cosmoline.
There's some debate about the prefix date code. Some argue that we only have real data for Factory 26 date codes, and that those prefix codes aren't valid for non-Factory 26 SKSs. I don't care either way... Threaded barrel, and it functions like a firearm should (ie, goes bang when you want it to).
I wish I had a Factory 26 SKS though - just for historical purposes.
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Date code only works for Factory 26 marked guns,not ones like this one.
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A example of different stamp but both are same Chinese Military SKSs.
The top one is so call factory 26, but actually 626.
Different factories has different marking style. One has chinese letter and one does not. Both rifle was produced in year 1957 as well as your rifle.
Neither this SKS nor the OP's were made in 1957. They did not come from Factory 26,so the serial number dating sequence does not work with them.
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ESQUE;
"Could be a refurb. "
How do you arrive at this conclusion ?
I will repeat what we have said MANY times....We purchased these rifles directly from the Chinese Military....
We were there when they removed them from storage in which they had been placed since the dat of manufacture....
HOW could they be a refurb ?
John
"Could be a refurb. "
How do you arrive at this conclusion ?
I will repeat what we have said MANY times....We purchased these rifles directly from the Chinese Military....
We were there when they removed them from storage in which they had been placed since the dat of manufacture....
HOW could they be a refurb ?
John
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1) The serial number first 2 digits plus the year trick for DoM ONLY works for Factory 26 rifles - NOT ANY OTHER FACTORY. The rifle being discussed is NOT Factory 26 and is NOT made in 1957 - it's probably made in the 1960's or 1970's.
2) The Marstar rifles from this import I have seen are all Factory 625 and Factory 306. Yes, I have bought one of each from the same batch, have detail stripped and compared them, and have handled dozens of examples of each. I have yet to see a Marstar rifle from this import that was not one of these two factories.
3) IMHO the rifle you are depicting is a Factory 625 rifle that for whatever reason did not get the factory roll stamp - mabe a manufacturing error that it was omitted. It is, however, a non-refurb PRC SKS in my opinion and worth what you paid for it. It's not a 306 as it lacks Factory 306 features - one of the most obvious being the serial numbers in arial font vice seriff.
You may find this thread illustrative. The rifles are not from Marstar, but are from the same batch of rifles imported from the same source at roughly the same time.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459845
2) The Marstar rifles from this import I have seen are all Factory 625 and Factory 306. Yes, I have bought one of each from the same batch, have detail stripped and compared them, and have handled dozens of examples of each. I have yet to see a Marstar rifle from this import that was not one of these two factories.
3) IMHO the rifle you are depicting is a Factory 625 rifle that for whatever reason did not get the factory roll stamp - mabe a manufacturing error that it was omitted. It is, however, a non-refurb PRC SKS in my opinion and worth what you paid for it. It's not a 306 as it lacks Factory 306 features - one of the most obvious being the serial numbers in arial font vice seriff.
You may find this thread illustrative. The rifles are not from Marstar, but are from the same batch of rifles imported from the same source at roughly the same time.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459845
Purchased 4 from Marstar so far, very happy with all of them. Some are marked with a factory 26 stamp and some are only serial numbers on receivers but all are unfired condition. One has a stamped trigger group and the other three milled trigger groups. It's hard to understand the markings on these guns but I take John's word as he is the expert and I'm sure he didn't buy these without first verifying what he was getting as with any prudent business purchase.
Thanks for that John, I thought as much from the pictures you have posted on facebook and any other pictures of the guns in the crates and being degreased, etc you would care to share with us would be great. You and your staff are a class act and I will likely purchase more of these before they are gone.
