Anybody has an idea whether the shotguns listed in the RCMP FRT as prohibs (not specifically named in the OIC of May 1) - like Typhoon F12 and Deriya - will be allowed to shoot in IPSC sanctioned matches, for example, Canadian National Shotgun Championship?
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...Well, depending on how you feel about the validity of the post-OIC "bans", you might not be allowed to transport said shotguns. So if you're gonna, I definitely wouldn't advertise it on a public forum that the RCMP is known to frequent.
And if the bans stick, you can't use these firearms anywhere. It doesn't matter if the matches are sanctioned by anyone.
And if the bans stick, you can't use these firearms anywhere. It doesn't matter if the matches are sanctioned by anyone.
Should be allowed because the FRT entries were illegally changed (and the fact that the FRT is a tool, not law). But of course that's not how things work. They tell us we can't do something despite no valid authority and we just listen like the good citizens we are.
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So there are several issues at play here. Les unpack this a little bit.
First, by the Governments own admission, the FRT is not the final word on classification. But it is the first word. So if the RCMP says its prohib, then everyone else, including the other law enforcement folks, are going to treat it like it is. Now they could be wrong about whether its prohib, but thats for a judge to decide, and the fastest way to get a judge to decide is to ask him at your criminal trial. Thats not the way most people want to get it front of a judge.
If its not a prohib, and you can prove it, then you should be allowed to use it as any other NR, but you will be asked to prove it to both the match director and range operator who are going to have a big pucker factor and risk tolerance of round about zero.
If it is prohib, then not only are you transporting it unlawfully, possessing it loaded unlawfully, and violating the amnesty, but you are also putting the range at risk as most ranges in Canada are not approved for prohibited firearms.
So if you want to use it, your first order of business is to essentially prove that its not prohibited.
CSSA stated that these firearms that were changed to prohibited after the OIC and are not listed in the OIC are not covered by amnesty, so that means that right now you could be charged with possession of a prohibited weapon
Get what? Well thought-out and cogent points?
