Reclassification Status on the BD38 and BD3008?

For those who wish a different telephone approach (rather than calling your MP), here is the direct number with the firearms guys in Ottawa:

1-800-731-4000 extension 1090

Be polite, and perhaps a great number of calls regarding this might have them open a case file of concerned owners.

Cheers,

Bill
 
ok get this, i called that number and i was polite and the lady on the other end was polite as well. i asked her why this firearm is under review, she said its because it was never properly reviewed in the first place WTF ? this firearm has been for sale in this country for at least 6yrs, correct me if i am wrong please. so now from what i gather we the owners of BD38 must pay for the mistakes of the rcmp not doing their job properly in the first place. if they deem this firearm to be bad or whatever we get screwed. she also said that this firearm has been under review for a few years?? i told her that about 2yrs ago the FRP# was pulled, BD38 no longer transferable until review was done, now shortly after we were told that, the review was done and the BD38 was transferable again. fast forward to now and it is under review again......am i missing something here, was the firearm transferable 2yrs ago between the last review and now? am i taking crazy pills? also, it gets better lol, she said right now they cannot complete the review because they dont have a BD38 in their lab to test, and cannot get anyone to come forward and give up their BD38 to test. i remained polite and suggested calling some retailers to see if maybe they have any left to handover lol . forgive my ignorance if this is old news and i am just catching up.
 
I believe that the original importer, Marstar, submitted examples of the SSD firearms, and got approval before any were offered for sale.
You are correct; the FRT # was placed under review, was reposted, transfers occurred, and now the number is again under review.
Anyone who submits a specimen had better be prepared to never see it again.
Easiest way for TPBT to deal with this is to just do nothing.
 
elvis3006 said:
also, it gets better lol, she said right now they cannot complete the review because they dont have a BD38 in their lab to test, and cannot get anyone to come forward and give up their BD38 to test. i remained polite and suggested calling some retailers to see if maybe they have any left to handover lol . forgive my ignorance if this is old news and i am just catching up.
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Unbelievable. My hats off to you, I would have gone off on her by this point :eek: They've pulled the FRT and don't even have a sample they're testing?? How much are these clowns getting paid a year to pull this crap :mad::mad: I'm sure they'll be waiting a LONG time before someone gives up his BD to these idiots, what a f*cking joke.
 
this is what ive been told. perhaps someone else can call to verify, perhaps i was talking to someone who is not up to speed. 1-800-731-4000 extension 1090
 
When I had called her yesterday, she said that they were awaiting further info from the "manufacturer"....not from a Canadian retailer. If the manufacturer is in Germany, I'd be curious as to what they might be waiting for. Are they expecting the manufacturer to send over a specimen for examination? And how would it get into Canada in the first place?

The part where it was approved 2 years ago, and now they want another kick at the can, concerns me. Will they continue to pull this every once in a while until someone says.........PROHIBITED.....?

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Bill
 
eureka283 said:
For those who wish a different telephone approach (rather than calling your MP), here is the direct number with the firearms guys in Ottawa:

1-800-731-4000 extension 1090

Be polite, and perhaps a great number of calls regarding this might have them open a case file of concerned owners.

Cheers,

Bill
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i agree, lets get more people calling.
 
eureka283 said:
When I had called her yesterday, she said that they were awaiting further info from the "manufacturer"....not from a Canadian retailer.
Bill
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Seeing how manufacturer is under no obligation to comply with Canadian law, I would be astounded if they actually responded. And what would it be worth, considering that every bloody product on this planet carries a disclaimer 'Specification subject to change without notice'. OMG, this is insane and is sounding more and more David Olofson.
 
We know, they know, that no manufacturer will cooperate with those with the sole purpose of ending sales. They blame manufacturer and make no decision...ever. Transfer every one of those Librocrats to tha Arctic!
 
Well, the big vote on the long gun registry is today at 5:45pm. The Conservatives are publishing names of NDP MPs who originally agreed to vote by their constituent's wishes - and ban the registry.

Let's see how this pans out, including any follow-up with the BD-38 and 3008.

Cheers,

Bill
 
Bernd Dittrich and SSD (Sport Systeme Dittrich) went belly up a few years ago... The company and all it entailed was bought up by HZA Kulmbach, which now holds all the rights etc to the BD line of firearms. I believe Bernd still works for HZA, but not sure.

Considering that SSD was very uncooperative in regards to warranty work with Marstar, I highly doubt the CFC will get anything out of them either.... :(
 
It appears they are randomly picking certain guns based on their appearance and placing them under review. They don't even have a bd38 in their possession right now, yet its under review? How can they be reviewing it? What caused them to review it? And if they never get one, they can never review it, and can never change the FRT classification. My bet is they will let time pass and simply change the FRT ruling on a whim. Knowing they have no sample in the lab, really makes this whole thing appear as a farse. Just another opinion
 
dizzy said:
It appears they are randomly picking certain guns based on their appearance and placing them under review. They don't even have a bd38 in their possession right now, yet its under review? How can they be reviewing it? What caused them to review it? And if they never get one, they can never review it, and can never change the FRT classification. My bet is they will let time pass and simply change the FRT ruling on a whim. Knowing they have no sample in the lab, really makes this whole thing appear as a farse. Just another opinion
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The RCMP had a really good look at the BD guns when the samples were submitted by the first importer. They know exactly how the mechanisms work.
Anyone who has ever seen the inside of one can see how they work. As manufactured, they are functionnally semi-auto.
To be blunt, there are no semi-auto firearms that would be easier to convert to auto that the BD-38 and BD-3008. Think under 5 minutes with a Dremel. And this would not be doublets and triplets resulting from a malfunctionning trigger mechanism; this would be true, controlled auto fire.
The RCMP were very generous in determining that the guns were semi-auto, and in allowing them to be imported and sold. They were made as semi-auto, and it would be an offence to change this. The guns were primarily of interest only to serious collectors.
Then someone outside the RCMP made the case that the BDs were easily convertible to full auto. Of course the RCMP placed the BDs under review. They had no option after this challenge. This was lifted for a while, then reinstated. At present, the BD-38 and BD-3008 FRT numbers are unavailable for transfer.
I have no idea how the situation will end. But the BD mess is not the result of arbitrary and capricous actions on the part of the RCMP. They initially approved the guns, and then this was thrown back in their faces.
 
If you look at the past re-classification of firearms back in the 1990's most of the changes in designations were made simply because firearms looked or sounded "evil". The thought that Canadians could legally own these "mean" looking firearms made individuals like Allan Rock and other bleeding heart Liberals have nightmares and it bugged them every morning that they woke up in their puddle of wee.

Firearms Laws don't need to make sense (sadly). Why are most AK designs prohib? When most M16 designs are restricted? Does that 5mm really make the difference between a prohib or restricted P08 (Luger)? Does my pinned 5 round magazine really make Canadians safer when I can use a 250 round continous belt in my TNW MG34?

Obviously someone challeged the design or someone pointed out that the BD38 looked "mean". We have been lucky as there have been few new classification changes since the early 1990's and luckily many designs have snuck through (CZ858, SKS, Valmet AK's, TNW firearms, SSD products, etc.).

Heck why are they looking at the BD38 when for $10.00 a criminal could buy a book and learn how to make my SKS full auto? Financially why spend $2500 to mess with a rifle when a criminal could spend $75?

This is an example of the Government punishing Law abiding citizens and not criminals. I don't think there is a huge black market in BD38's. Don't be surprised the next time we have a Liberal or God forbid an NDP Government that we lose the right to own many of the firearms that were legally purchased and presently stored in accordance to Canadian law. Sadly, politicians can sit in their beds making it look like they are acting against gun crime if they pick on law abiding gun owners, because they are taking "dangerous" guns off the street (or more specific out of safe storage). If they really wanted to make a difference, they would actually need to work to catch the true criminals and gun smugglers. Then again, politicians don't really like to work or they wouldn't be in Ottawa in the first place.
 
agentcq;6799252.....Obviously someone challeged the design or someone pointed out that the BD38 looked "mean". We have been lucky as there have been few new classification changes since the early 1990's and luckily many designs have snuck through (CZ858 said:
You are wrong. The RCMP approved the BD-38 and BD-3008 knowing exactly what they were.
It was thrown back in their faces, and they had no alternative but to react.
The few Valmet AKs did slip through. Someone who didn't have the slightest idea of what he was doing wrote some pretty bad policy.
The others were classified based on their merit. They did not slip though. There are quite a number of others that did not slip through; and were classified correctly, based on the law.
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tiriaq said:
Then someone outside the RCMP made the case that the BDs were easily convertible to full auto. Of course the RCMP placed the BDs under review. They had no option after this challenge.
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The "########" guy deserves to have his nuts smashed with a ball-peen hammer for this... :mad:
 
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