Recommend a book for Lab training

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DUDE!!! That is too cute.
LH your pup looks just awesome too.

Other than that comment, the only thing I bring to the discussion a mention about a couple of books in my library whose methods I have not implemented with my idiot dogs.

Expert Advise on Gun Dog Training
http://www.amazon.ca/Expert-Advice-...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231903465&sr=1-4
A dense book, with info coming from mutiple reference sources.

Best Way to Train Your Gun Dog.
http://www.amazon.ca/Best-Way-Train...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231903424&sr=8-4
There are some weird things in this one, including using techiniques that look like hobbling a horse. It claims to have a lot of solutions for the problem dog.
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Big Game said:
I've heard that an e-collar as effective a training tool as it is can be very damaging to a pup that is timid or shy? Any truth to that?
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I wouldn't say that an e-collar is any more "damaging" then adding any other pressure to a timid or shy dog. If you use a heeling stick, choke collar, pinch collar, or even commands the wrong way, you have the potential to screw up a dog, any dog. It is rarely the dog that is the problem, from my experience.

Using an e-collar is a hard thing to explain in print. Just like force fetching a dog. In print it sounds so easy, in practical use, it can be so much more complicated.

Get yourself one of the programs mentioned and get involved with a local club if you have one. Watch as many videos on the subject, and read as much as you can.

The trick is to throw out the junk. I think this thread has a lot of great materials mentioned in it.
 
SRC does have some of the nicest training grounds in Canada and I'm lucky enough to live nearby so I train my dogs there regularly.

For me, I can't image not training with an e-collar (TT 200 EXP). However, I know enough people who simply want a dog to pick up their birds and can't/won't follow a proper training program. In this situation I feel both the dog and handler would be better off not using an e-collar. Just like any tool used improperly, it can do far more damage then good. However if a person is willing to put in the time, <15 minutes/day, it's amazing what you and your dog can achieve.

Since it's picture time here's a couple of our youngest dog, 1 yr old when these pictures were taken this past fall.

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Lionhill said:
First, thank you for all of your suggestions.

My last dogs were a 1) German Shepherd, from the Rhein valley that I got near the end of my CF tour. The most recent was a 2) Chesapeak that lived for over 15 years. I still get comments from people about this dog being the most obedient and disciplined dog they'd met. I have an understanding of dog training. I am, as always, open to learning from others.

Is there is a training product that combines an E-collar for both training and an invisible fence? We will have a proper kennel, but with a large rural property, so designated control areas is a must.

Hijacking my own thread. That's a first.

LH
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I've never seen or heard of one.

Big Game said:
I've heard that an e-collar as effective a training tool as it is can be very damaging to a pup that is timid or shy? Any truth to that?
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The_dude306 nailed it, applying to much pressure to any dog, via any means can have a negative impact. Modern programs such as Smart Works go into detail in determining/applying the correct amount of pressure by gauging the dogs response (not necessarily vocalization).

Good looking pups Lionhill, yyyyy, the_dude306!!!
 
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Curt said:
Training your Retreiver by James Lamb Free. Great book, solid techniques.
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Its has been a number of years since I read this book but I do recall that in the day which was the 1940's, that not expect much from your dog till he was about 5 years old.
Modern training methods have proven that theory to be some what suspect.FS
 
Go to the Ducks Unlimited web site. They have some stuff to read and a few example vids.

I have "The working Labrador" by David Hudson. I don't really recommend it as 85% of the book is about informing you how to act like a Robot during British bird hunts so you can fit in with the other robots and won't be embarrassed.
 
Fassteel said:
Its has been a number of years since I read this book but I do recall that in the day which was the 1940's, that not expect much from your dog till he was about 5 years old.
Modern training methods have proven that theory to be some what suspect.FS
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I did not like that part of his ideas. I had great success using his techniques and had a Springer working birds in around a year, not 5.
 
My black is almost 6 months old and already follows hand signals.Once he is 8 months I will start training him a little harder including an E collar.I will also force break him at about 1 year.My yellow is almost 3 months old and doesn't have any interest in fetching as of yet although he loves to bite the black as he brings in the toys.It will vary from dog to dog and they will go through stages.Just be consistent.When I come up grouse hunting I'll bring them with me. ;)
 
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I second the Richard Walters books . Kinda old school but effective. I have them ,just not sure where they are and a VHS tape from another trainer. I'll look when I find some time but keep bugging me. The main thing after you some training into them is LOTS of shooting . Your pup will be a little young still come Sept but we can go out with mine and yours may get with the program
 
I have 3 spare high end e-collars/remotes in Van if anyone every wants to try them, or learn more about the use.
 
She is coming along nicely, and demonstrating some keen abilities. Took her for a long walk in the snow this AM. She walked on the snow, while I sunk to my knee caps.

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LH
 
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