recommend me a 1911

BP7 said:
i'm going to compare my Norc to a friend's SW1911 (Gov't) and see what the $$ difference gets me (you). personally, SO FAR, i'm glad that the Norc was only $350 or so and not more, cuz i'm not crazy about it.
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I agree. I was absolutely blown away by the difference between my Norc (which was the first pistol I ever bought) and the Kimber I picked up a few months after it. It really is the little things that count. The crappy grip safety on the Norc being one of them...
 
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STI Spartan, even Kitty thinks so!
 
Buy anything. If it's your first 1911 all it's going to do is help you decide what you want / don't want in your next 1911.
 
pacosnow said:
I agree. I was absolutely blown away by the difference between my Norc (which was the first pistol I ever bought) and the Kimber I picked up a few months after it. It really is the little things that count. The crappy grip safety on the Norc being one of them...
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I handled a few norc 1911 and i had no problem with the manual or the grip safety. Of course it is slightly smoother on a STI or Kimber but the price difference is too great to complain about the little things.
 
MosinNagantM44 said:
I handled a few norc 1911 and i had no problem with the manual or the grip safety. Of course it is slightly smoother on a STI or Kimber but the price difference is too great to complain about the little things.
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Yeah that's a good point. I guess if your saving $700 on your first 1911 the small differences don't really make that much of a difference in the long run.
 
BP7 said:
only option at under $1k is a Norc Commander. the sights on it SUCK!!! they're HUGE ugly pieces of plastic, make the gun look like a POS. the insides are rough, but can be cleaned up easly if you're mechanically adept. mine doesn't feed SWC all that well for one of two reasons - either the reloads are too light in powder / the recoil spring is too heavy to properly toss the slide ALL the way back for a good forceful chambering, or the feed ramp doesn't like the SWC profile and causes it to hang up. both are "fixable".

i'm going to compare my Norc to a friend's SW1911 (Gov't) and see what the $$ difference gets me (you). personally, SO FAR, i'm glad that the Norc was only $350 or so and not more, cuz i'm not crazy about it.
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I have several norcs, I've never seen plastic sights.
 
I too, recommend STI Spartan, there is no real point to get Commander since we cannot carry in Canada and Norks are no-go in USA.
Spartan is a very nice and high quality gun you can enjoy for lifetime.
 
foxytrapper said:
I have several norcs, I've never seen plastic sights.
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could be just the new ones, in that case. i know that my Commander is the newer one and it has the square trigger guard and big plastic sights - both are ugly features as far as i'm concerned. one is easy to permanently modify, the other i suppose can be swapped out.

but the working guts are still somewhat crudely made - i don't care if they're MIM or forged or stamped, there's next to no finishing work done on them. the absolute worst part (and most difficult to do anything about) is the trigger guide / cutout in the frame - those two slits inside which the trigger bar rides. i mean, other areas you can clean up and polish on your own when you take the whole gun apart, but those "tracks" are rough as concrete. as i was driving in to work, i though that it would be nice if someone developed a set of nylon insert tracks there - the trigger bar would be slimmer, but the nylon could be SMOOTH.

i wouldn't mind taking a Spartan apart, and a S&W or Kimber, and see how they are different. it's nice that the Norc is supposedly a forged frame, but the finishing doesn't do it justice.

and no, i'm not a snob. i'm actually quite thrifty - i'm just not impressed with certain aspects of this particular gun.
 
First 1911?

On a tighter budget..... tuned Norc 1911A1 or compact [commander] from Armco.

Willing to spend a bit more to get a few bells & whistles but still fairly basic 1911A1..... tuned STI Spartan via Armco.

My .02

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NAA.
 
NAA said:
tuned STI Spartan via Armco
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i think we touched on this once before in another thread, but are the STI guns actually tuned at Armco, or is it only the Norc stuff (and does the assumption therefore spill over to other guns that they sell)? it seems ambiguous from their own online descriptions as to whether the parts are factory-tuned or Armco-tuned.

is it possible to get actual confirmation on whether the STI stuff is left untouched or if it's actually refined at Armco?
 
BP7 said:
i think we touched on this once before in another thread, but are the STI guns actually tuned at Armco, or is it only the Norc stuff (and does the assumption therefore spill over to other guns that they sell)? it seems ambiguous from their own online descriptions as to whether the parts are factory-tuned or Armco-tuned.

is it possible to get actual confirmation on whether the STI stuff is left untouched or if it's actually refined at Armco?
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I was just about to mention that. I don't think the Spartan is actually tuned otherwise I would imagine Gunner would mention it on his site like he does for the Norc and Para Expert.
 
I do believe that Gunnar gives every 1911 that he sells a quick once over to tweak it. Not a full-on tuning, like a custom gun, just a quick once over, or "prep" as he calls it.

7x61 said:
But ARMCO pays shipping to you anywhere in Canada - AND tweaks the triggers and extractors, mags, etc. A little "Prepping" goes a long way... :)

Gunnar
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