I went with Fabarm and FAIR for mine. The two 12's are Fabarm Classis, the FAIR is a 20ga. All 3" w/chokes, All english stock, all 28 or 30", steel proofed under the new CIP tests. The Fabarms are SST, the FAIR is the Vintage Iside w/DT's. Trouble is now, our dollar tanking may have busted your budget on those, and the std FAIR Iside. Used 471 is nice, if you can find one setup the way you want. All depends on what you want to do with it, I wanted mine for waterfowl, had to have 3" and chokes and english stock, 28" barrels. The one Fabarm is 28", the other is 30", had to settle for SST on them. No beefs with any of those guns. Only place to look at the Fabarms is on the Italian home site, they do not bring them into the US for whatever weird marketing reasons they have down there. TSE did have a couple of POW stocked 20ga when I was last there. Almost all but the Pedersoli hammer guns, which is 12ga 3" w/chokes, are Turkish, at under 5000.00 now. Like I said, depends what you want to do with it. Fausti and the others under the 5 mark, don't offer 3" w/chokes, or don't have DT's, or maybe the vendors that order them don't order that config, who knows. The Turks have their configurations right, just not convinced on the QC and build.