recycling .32 rimfire cases

Thanks for all the info. My main concern was if the rf cases had enough material to take a countersunk blank of any possible kind. Doesn't seem so.
 
trevj said:
Reloading rimfire is best left as a theoretical exercise, along with reloading primers. Both can be done,and may be worth doing to say you have done, but there are a bunch of better ways to spend your time, with better returns.
Like, for instance, picking up pop bottles on the roadside, to make enough money to buy the stuff.

Cheers
Trev
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antiqueguy said:
there may come a day when reloading primers and making powder is needed
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I have a Swiss Vetterli rifle in .41 Swiss rimfire. All numbers match, so trashing/altering the bolt to do the CF conversion is not up for debate. Even if I do scrounge for pop bottles, the very few original rounds I could buy would likely not fire at this age. I have two in my cartridge collection, and havent tried firing them.
 
tootall said:
I have a Swiss Vetterli rifle in .41 Swiss rimfire. All numbers match, so trashing/altering the bolt to do the CF conversion is not up for debate. Even if I do scrounge for pop bottles, the very few original rounds I could buy would likely not fire at this age. I have two in my cartridge collection, and havent tried firing them.
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if get some brass turned in a lathe just a tube solid head and then make two cutout's one drilled out for a .22 acorn blank and one cut deep enough to let the firing pin hit anneal the tube form it in dies

I got to stop giving out my ideas lol
 
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antiqueguy said:
if get some brass turned in a lathe just a tube solid head and then make two cutout's one drilled out for a .22 acorn blank and one cut deep enough to let the firing pin hit anneal the tube form it in dies

I got to stop giving out my ideas lol
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What? You thought that was an original idea?

Really?

Been done.

Cheers
Trev
 
tootall said:
I have a Swiss Vetterli rifle in .41 Swiss rimfire. All numbers match, so trashing/altering the bolt to do the CF conversion is not up for debate. Even if I do scrounge for pop bottles, the very few original rounds I could buy would likely not fire at this age. I have two in my cartridge collection, and havent tried firing them.
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Steal the same concept as the HC-whatevertheirnameis reloadable rimfire cases using an appropriate centerfire case as a starting point. No need to butcher the rifle, and your old rimfire cases would like as not, not withstand much metalworking either.

Or start with some brass stock and a metal lathe. It isn't the simplest project, but within the capabilities of most beginners.

If you really didn't mind the effort, you could soft solder a base in to an appropriate shell, as opposed to making the whole thing from scratch.
Having the round chamber and maintain it's indexing WRT the pin location is going to be the only thing to contend with, if using acorn blanks or powernailer shots to ignite a load of BP.


Cheers
Trev
 
antiqueguy said:
there may come a day when reloading primers and making powder is needed
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Or there may not.

I'm going to place my quarter on the side betting not.

But then, I am not busy entertaining any paranoid delusional fantasies about the the end of the world or the breakdown of civilization as we know it.

Cheers
Trev
 
trevj said:
What? You thought that was an original idea?

Really?

Been done.

Cheers
Trev
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ive ever seen what I have explained there the .41 swiss rifles have a double firing pin that needs 2 spaces cut one for the blank and the other for the not needed firing pin never seen a case like that most make up a new pin holder without the rimfire pin and use a nail then drill a hole through the bolt face I don't like the idea of screwing up these old rifles
 
Instead of messing around with lathe turned cases for the .41, use reformed .348 Winchester. Much easier.
I wouldn't alter a nice Vetterli's bolt either - but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of badly bubba'd rifles. Alter the bolt body from one of these to centerfire.
Converted to centerfire, orientation of the cartridge is no longer an issue.
Haven't tried it, but if a .32RF case were to be altered to accept a blank cartridge, I would be inclined to try to form a recess for the blank's rim, rather than trying to cut it. Push the copper into place to accept the blank's rim.
 
cory moffat said:
I figured on swaging down 32 smith n wesson brass and drilling for 27 ramset. It looks like the best candidate for brass.

Please stop me now if you have a better idea.
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For the .32 RF?

Yes - use .32 Short Colt, Not S&W. Dimensions on the Colt are essentially identical. No swaging needed - drill it out.

I posted some useful links on Page 2 of this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...mfire-question

and also check out:

h ttp://32rimfire.########.ca/
 
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Another thought on this, since I keep hearing about guys bringing back range brass (especially after IDPA & IPSC matches cross border) with no issues, because it is classified as recycled metal or something like that but I've not tried it....

This company here: h ttp://www.kensbrass.com/ says they ship to Canada (they list .32 SC). Never tried this company or personally tried bringing range brass back either.

Anyone have any better insight on this??? Is used brass caught under ITAR??
 
trevj said:
No, not so much, actually. As per above, the .32 colt cases are the same dimensions as the rimfire, but with a better build for adapting.

Cheers
Trev
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And who manufactures 32 long (or short) colt ammunition? Alternatively, who manufactures 32 long colt brass? As far as I have found, nobody has for decades, so it isn't exactly "common" either. So - if the OP has 32 rimfire cases, why should he go on a quest to find rare 32 long colt brass?

And while the 32 colt brass is stouter, it doesn't actually matter. The 32 rimfire cases are more than adequate for the low pressure they were designed for (and need to be reloaded to as well). Just from what I gather, anyway...

Best Regards, Gerald
 
Geraldo said:
And who manufactures 32 long (or short) colt ammunition? Alternatively, who manufactures 32 long colt brass? As far as I have found, nobody has for decades, so it isn't exactly "common" either. So - if the OP has 32 rimfire cases, why should he go on a quest to find rare 32 long colt brass?

And while the 32 colt brass is stouter, it doesn't actually matter. The 32 rimfire cases are more than adequate for the low pressure they were designed for (and need to be reloaded to as well). Just from what I gather, anyway...

Best Regards, Gerald
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I don't know about loaded ammo, but the brass (for SHORT I don't know about the longs) has been manufactured within the last 10 or so years. I have a bag of Winchester here. It is available in the states readily enough but NEW brass presents ITAR issues. Hence my question above about used brass...
 
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Anyone have any better insight on this??? Is used brass caught under ITAR??
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That's an interesting question. I wonder if they would classify used brass as "reloading components", many of which appear to be ITAR regulated. While not exactly a stellar info source, I asked the US border guard about cast bullets and powder (both sold at the American gas station/post office/convenience store I visit just on the other side of the border) , and he said that both of those were prohibited from export without a license since they are "reloading components", but I wonder if used brass would fall under that heading?

Wait, I just found this - it DOES appear to be considered a munition:

22 CFR Ch. 1, Category III, (f)(1)
http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf

So, I guess no used brass from America...

Best Regards, Gerald
 
Geraldo said:
And who manufactures 32 long (or short) colt ammunition? Alternatively, who manufactures 32 long colt brass? As far as I have found, nobody has for decades, so it isn't exactly "common" either. So - if the OP has 32 rimfire cases, why should he go on a quest to find rare 32 long colt brass?

And while the 32 colt brass is stouter, it doesn't actually matter. The 32 rimfire cases are more than adequate for the low pressure they were designed for (and need to be reloaded to as well). Just from what I gather, anyway...

Best Regards, Gerald
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It's pretty much about the construction of the case, with regards to withstanding being drilled and formed or machined to fit a blank of one sort or another to use as a primer.
Rimfire case construction simply does not allow you the meat to support the rest of the cutting and drilling that is required.

That is the issue with that. Dig around the web for cross section photos of the old rimfire cartridges and compare them to a modern deep-drawn centerfire case. The centerfire case has a great deal more meat at the back end, allowing the support needed to withstand, among other things, removing enough material to get a blank or power nailer load to sit flush.

Now, rimfire cases CAN be reloaded, if, among other things, you are desperate enough to want to play around with various concoctions of red phosphorous, usually sourced from strike anywhere match heads.
You need to punch out the dent from the firing pin as best you can, remove the burnt priming compound, as best you can, install the new priming compound as best you can, them carry on reloading. The bullets are generally a heeled bullet, so molds are not exactly everywhere or inexpensive, and the priming compound from match heads contains a great deal of stuff that makes folks that buy ammo whinge and snivel, aka it's corrosive and full of coarse sand or glass to help with ignition.

Essentially, it can be made to work, it's just that we pretty much need to be living in the world of Fallout 3, to make it worthwhile.

I would suggest that the delusional fantasy crowd should aim at owning a flintlock instead, when one takes in to consideration that strike anywhere matches are getting rarer, and are as likely to be commonly available as primers will be, once the world ends. Anyone that thinks they can put up a supply of matches to last them will also be able to put up a supply of primers, eh?

Cheers
Trev
 
trevj said:
It's pretty much about the construction of the case, with regards to withstanding being drilled and formed or machined to fit a blank of one sort or another to use as a primer.
Rimfire case construction simply does not allow you the meat to support the rest of the cutting and drilling that is required.

That is the issue with that. Dig around the web for cross section photos of the old rimfire cartridges and compare them to a modern deep-drawn centerfire case. The centerfire case has a great deal more meat at the back end, allowing the support needed to withstand, among other things, removing enough material to get a blank or power nailer load to sit flush.

Now, rimfire cases CAN be reloaded, if, among other things, you are desperate enough to want to play around with various concoctions of red phosphorous, usually sourced from strike anywhere match heads.
You need to punch out the dent from the firing pin as best you can, remove the burnt priming compound, as best you can, install the new priming compound as best you can, them carry on reloading. The bullets are generally a heeled bullet, so molds are not exactly everywhere or inexpensive, and the priming compound from match heads contains a great deal of stuff that makes folks that buy ammo whinge and snivel, aka it's corrosive and full of coarse sand or glass to help with ignition.

Essentially, it can be made to work, it's just that we pretty much need to be living in the world of Fallout 3, to make it worthwhile.

I would suggest that the delusional fantasy crowd should aim at owning a flintlock instead, when one takes in to consideration that strike anywhere matches are getting rarer, and are as likely to be commonly available as primers will be, once the world ends. Anyone that thinks they can put up a supply of matches to last them will also be able to put up a supply of primers, eh?

Cheers
Trev
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I got a rubber tub full of strike anywhere matches paper caps and .22 and .27 nail gun blanks then I normally have a few .50 cal cans of .209 primers large rifle primers large and small pistol primers and thousands of round of surplus im good for years if a fallout 3 world is coming lol i can get the white tip strike anywhere matches at walmart or Canadian tire and every time i got i get a pack witch has 2 box's.

.32 short colt is somewhat common brass long colt is really hard to find and i don't think it made anymore
 
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