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Hello guys, I'm writing a paper on the Great Patriotic War and now I'm writing about Soviet small arms during the war. I need some specs for the PPsH41 and the Mosin-Nagant M1891/30. Can you guys tell me which kind of wood are the stocks of the two weapons made of ? And can you guys who owns the Nagants give me the actual weight of the M1891/30 rifle? Because I heard from some the specs from the internet are a little off, like the M1891/30 should weight well over 3.8kg as some sites suggest. This paper is for my university and worth 20% of my grade so I try to make it as accurate as possible, thanks guys please help !! :)
 
Stocks

Apart from the rare surviving Remington and New England Westinghouse stocks that were made of american black walnut, the vast majority of Russian stocks are arctic birch or beech, especially for the more recent soviet manufacture of the Great Patriotic War time frame.
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The Soviet PPSh41s which I've seen appear to have been stocked in birch. By the same token, given the conditions prevalent in the Soviet Union during the War, I wouldn't be surprised if any available hardwood was used.
 
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Heres a pic you are welcome to use of a few significant 'weapons', all of which were used in "The Great Patriotic War'

PPsh41
Thompson 1928 (captured and used by zee Germans on train convoys)
MP-44
 
Klunk said:
No...the Germans used them after they took over France

It is possible the Ruskies had them as well, due to the lend-lease program but Im not sure
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USSR was provided with 137,729 .45 calibre SMGs under Lend Lease Program during WW2.
 
I think it's likely an eastern european breed of hickory. The VAST majority of PPSh41 and M91/30 were made with Birch stocks, though some other woods on occasion were used infrequently.
 
And now we are getting those thompsons back. An importer friend has a bunch. UNFORTUNATELY the recievers have been chopped by order of the BATF GESTAPO. You would really cry if you saw them.
100% blue
bore condition 100%
Wood the same condition as when it left the factory.
I got the impression these guns were NEVER uncrated from the day they were shipped until the day they came back into the U.S. and suffered the cutting torch.:mad:
 
the story i heard was the tomy gunswere sent with your tanks but the russians had no .45 cal ammo so therefore they were not used

too bad they had to be chopped at least they can be used for semi auto builds in the U.S
 
Kosovalov said:
Hello guys, I'm writing a paper on the Great Patriotic War and now I'm writing about Soviet small arms during the war.
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What aspect of Soviet small arms are you writing about?

See if you can get hold of a copy of the following books:

Soviet Small-Arms and Ammunition
by D.N. Bolotin ISBN 951-97184-1-9

Soviet Russian Postwar Military Pistols and Cartridges 1945 - 1986
Fred A. Datig ISBN 0-945828-03-9

Soviet Russian Tokarev TT Pistols and Cartridges 1929 - 1953
by Fred A. Datig

The AK47 Story
by Edward Clinton Ezell ISBN 0-8117-2247-3

The Mosin-Nagant Rifle
by Terence W. Lapin ISBN 1-882391-21-7

They all cover to some extent Soviet WWII small arms.

Because I heard from some the specs from the internet are a little off, like the M1891/30 should weight well over 3.8kg as some sites suggest. This paper is for my university and worth 20% of my grade so I try to make it as accurate as possible, thanks guys please help !! :)
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I wouldn't get to worked up on the specs unless you are using them to illistrate a point. I doubt that the teacher will be concerned that the weight of a m91/30 is off by 100grams.

Common Red Army small arms:
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1. Mosin Nagant m91/30 rifles and PU sniper rifle
2. Mosin Nagant m38 carbine
3. Mosin Nagant m44 carbine
4. SVT-40 rifles
5. TT-33 pistols
6. Nagant m1895 revolvers
7. DP-27 (more commonly referred to as the DP-28 in the West) light machinegun.
8. PPSh-41 sub-machinegun
9. PPS-43 sub-machinegun
10. PM1910 maxim machinegun

Missing are the PTRS and PTRD anti-tank rifles, SVT-38 & AVS-36 rifles SG-43 machinegun, DShK heavy machinegun and the PPD 34 and 40 sub-machineguns.

Apart from the Thompson m1928's the Russians also received some Boyes anti-tank rifles and Bren guns that came with the Brittish supplied Bren-gun carriers.
 
I once read a book written by an American POW who escaped and unofficially joined the Russian army. He mentions one Russian soldier in the battalion having a Thompson but being unwilling to part with it, so he had to make due with a PPSh. That's at least one reported instance of Soviet Thompson's in combat, although its hardly an academic source. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the memoir.
 
All models of Thompsons captured by the Germans were assigned an issue number, most were waffenamped and issued to second line troops,at one time we had large numbers of these....
Then again the Germans reissued just about everything from pistols to artillery, all properly marked etc....
As for PPSH SMGs the very same would apply, you may see some with Nazi markings.... We have sold and or kitted thousands of them and most had
birch furniture and featured that familiar red coloured "varnish".
If anybody is interested we have pictures
Regards
John
 
I heard a report on a Russian tank website that a Thompson SMG was used by a drunken (lend-lease Sherman, I think) tank crew member to attack another tank crew member, but that the bullets did not penetrate the heavy winter clothing, and convinced that unit that the Thompson is useless. I don't know if that's true or not, or even plausible, but I did read that somewhere.
 
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