I figure the milsurp crowd will know more about where I can find a few red ensign flags. I am interested in a few of the 1890's version and one or two of the WWII version. Where might I be able to find some modern ones? How much am I looking at? I would like the 1890's ones for the heritage town I work at and the WWII one for display in my room.
Red Ensign
- Thread starter LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1
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I'd like one as well. 
Paul Fromm at CAFE (the Canadian Association for Free Expression) has the late model Red Ensign: little ones and lapel pins and ones about 6x10 inches and 3-by-5 feet and I think he might have a few REALLY big ones. These are the model I remember as a kid: the 1922 version that remained our OFFICIAL flag until that lying LIEberal poltico Pearson told everybody that we didn't have an official flag and so it was time that we adopted one. I notice that the red rag uses ONLY the Liberal Party colours; they deliberately kept any blue out of it just in case anybody thought that the Conservatives had anything to do with it. That whole stinking 'debate' (well, not really a debate: the decision was done before the talking started) still rankles a lot of people, including me.
We had a helluvva time even finding a Red Ensign for my Dad's coffin: he woulda HAUNTED me if we had used the Pearson flag.
Anyway, Paul has the flags, also some interesting newsletters..... if you don't mind dealing with a guy who is supposed to be a right-winger. Nice guy, actually, if you know him. You can get in toucvh through the CAFE website; he's in Terronna, y'know.
As to the really old ones, the 1868 version, there is a thread on this forum AND in Black Powder about getting some of the really old ones made up.
Hope this is of some help.
We had a helluvva time even finding a Red Ensign for my Dad's coffin: he woulda HAUNTED me if we had used the Pearson flag.
Anyway, Paul has the flags, also some interesting newsletters..... if you don't mind dealing with a guy who is supposed to be a right-winger. Nice guy, actually, if you know him. You can get in toucvh through the CAFE website; he's in Terronna, y'know.
As to the really old ones, the 1868 version, there is a thread on this forum AND in Black Powder about getting some of the really old ones made up.
Hope this is of some help.
BTW, if you order flags from Paul, put in a couple of extra bucks and ask him for some of his postcards with our REAL national anthem on them: The Maple Leaf Forever.
It was ignored by the Liberals and finally replaced because they didn't like the first verse, which was about the taking of Quebec. Must be anti-French or something.
Hey, guys!
The SECOND verse told about both French and British fighting side by side to repel the American invasion(s) in the War of 1812.
What's wrong with that?
But the postcards are nice....... go nicely with a Number 4 and a real Red Ensign.
We sane The Maple Leaf Forever every morning in school when I lived in Edmonton.... for a while. Shortly after the King died, 'God Save the Queen' (also known to historians as "Heil Dir im Siegerkranz") was brought in to replace 'God Save the King'. Thing is, 'The Maple Leaf Forever' was forgotten just about the same time, even though it was the real, official national anthem of Canada. From Grade 4 onward, I never heard 'The Maple Leaf Forever' in Alberta schools..... and not even once in Manitoba, where we moved in 1955.
If you are concerned about your REAL history and your own national heritage.... take a little more interest in what your kids are being taught in school. The teaching profession is almost entirely left-wing and I can say that: I have a teaching licence and taught school for a number of years both before and after I was in journalism.
But the postcards are nice.
It was ignored by the Liberals and finally replaced because they didn't like the first verse, which was about the taking of Quebec. Must be anti-French or something.
Hey, guys!
The SECOND verse told about both French and British fighting side by side to repel the American invasion(s) in the War of 1812.
What's wrong with that?
But the postcards are nice....... go nicely with a Number 4 and a real Red Ensign.
We sane The Maple Leaf Forever every morning in school when I lived in Edmonton.... for a while. Shortly after the King died, 'God Save the Queen' (also known to historians as "Heil Dir im Siegerkranz") was brought in to replace 'God Save the King'. Thing is, 'The Maple Leaf Forever' was forgotten just about the same time, even though it was the real, official national anthem of Canada. From Grade 4 onward, I never heard 'The Maple Leaf Forever' in Alberta schools..... and not even once in Manitoba, where we moved in 1955.
If you are concerned about your REAL history and your own national heritage.... take a little more interest in what your kids are being taught in school. The teaching profession is almost entirely left-wing and I can say that: I have a teaching licence and taught school for a number of years both before and after I was in journalism.
But the postcards are nice.
Thanks, I do like the red ensign for the history behind it and because I just like the looks. Maple leaf is nice and I am proud that its our flag, but I would like to see a modernized version of the red ensign adopted since it was here first but now most people don't even know what the red ensign is.
I also like the The Maple Leaf Forever, would be nice to have it sung more often.
I also like the The Maple Leaf Forever, would be nice to have it sung more often.
rchmontreal
CGN Regular
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario
I would suggest you try The Flag Store, http://www.theflagstore.ca/. I buy my 57-65 period Red Ensigns there. They also have decals for cars, pins etc.
I, like my father, grandfather and great grandfather, was born under the Red Ensign (1962) and proudly fly it at my home. They might also have the 21-57version.
I, like my father, grandfather and great grandfather, was born under the Red Ensign (1962) and proudly fly it at my home. They might also have the 21-57version.
I don't think for one minute that it was coincidental.....When LBP (with a guy called Truedough or something similar behind him with his Quebec thugs) decided to replace our real flag with the "red rag", that was when my Canada was turned into what I now recognize as Kanada....am I alone here?
Hey great, let's re-heat the beans on the great flag debate that was raging back in 1965. Lots of passion back then for sure. I remember one of the old boys who "shot" Lester Pearson on TV with his 12ga and felt that his new TV set was worth every penny.
Yup, we sang "God save the Queen" every day in school and "The Maple Leaf Forever" on occasions. I still like "The Maple leaf Forever" as it was the signature march of 1PPCLI and got played every time we marched off the parade square. But "O Canada" suits me fine and I don't think you could invent a more stirring anthem.
I'm a pretty traditional person, but was happy when we got our own distinctive flag. I wore it on my uniform in many wierd and wonderful places for many years. We have had a lot of fine young people sent on their way with the maple leaf on their coffins. And was'nt it nice to see the outburst of patriotism and all the flag waving over the Vancouver Olympics?
It was good for the country to finally grow up and come into it's own-and stop apeing the Brits. This country has come a long way in the 45 years since the present flag was adopted. Some things have been good. Others have not, but on balance I'm quite satisfied with things-and I've lived and travelled in enough other places to make a good comparison. When QE2 passes it will be time to dump "Chuck"(aka the human tampon) and the British monarchy for good.
Yup, we sang "God save the Queen" every day in school and "The Maple Leaf Forever" on occasions. I still like "The Maple leaf Forever" as it was the signature march of 1PPCLI and got played every time we marched off the parade square. But "O Canada" suits me fine and I don't think you could invent a more stirring anthem.
I'm a pretty traditional person, but was happy when we got our own distinctive flag. I wore it on my uniform in many wierd and wonderful places for many years. We have had a lot of fine young people sent on their way with the maple leaf on their coffins. And was'nt it nice to see the outburst of patriotism and all the flag waving over the Vancouver Olympics?
It was good for the country to finally grow up and come into it's own-and stop apeing the Brits. This country has come a long way in the 45 years since the present flag was adopted. Some things have been good. Others have not, but on balance I'm quite satisfied with things-and I've lived and travelled in enough other places to make a good comparison. When QE2 passes it will be time to dump "Chuck"(aka the human tampon) and the British monarchy for good.
Bittermansbro
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary, AB
I can't believe there aren't any repro 1868-1921 Red Ensigns out there....thats a good looking flag
LeeEnfieldNo.4_mkI and anyone else who might be interested ....
Don't know how I missed this thread back in March, but very shortly thereafter I posted in the Black Powder and Antiques forum regarding a project to have a reproduction made of the most commonly flown version of the Canadian Red Ensign in the period from 1873 into the first decade or so of the 20th century.
Best to read the thread there (link below) to follow the process of evolution which resulted in this being the likely design:
Summary: As you may know, the only "official" version of the Canadian Red Ensign until the adoption of the 1920's design was the one formally adopted in 1868, which bore a shield with armorial elements for only the original four Provinces (Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia). However, as new Provinces entered Confederation flag-makers took it upon themselves to embellish the shield with additional elements,. The image above is a representation of the very common "Seven Province" version, which also includes elements for Manitoba (1870), British Columbia (1871) and Prince Edward Island (1873.) This "unofficial" Ensign was what would be most often seen flying everywhere in Canada ( even over Government buildings) throughout the last quarter of the 19th Century, and well into the 20th. Even after Alberta and Saskatchewan entered Confederation in 1905, this was apparently the most commonly seen flag .... even during WWI ....
Various factors caused me to put this project on hold 2 or 3 months ago, but I am now resurrecting it. I need to determine how many people will definitely commit to buying one of these flags, which in turn will determine how big an order gets placed with the flag-maker and thus what the end cost will be. The flag will be 3' by 5' in size and (to keep the project practical and affordable) will be made of printed nylon or polyester. (At present, it appears that the cost of a single flag would be in the range of Cdn$55, plus costs of shipping to individual purchasers. (It would be nice to have a period correct "sewn" flag, but the cost would skyrocket!)
Here is the link to the original thread I mentioned earlier -
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452158
Don't know how I missed this thread back in March, but very shortly thereafter I posted in the Black Powder and Antiques forum regarding a project to have a reproduction made of the most commonly flown version of the Canadian Red Ensign in the period from 1873 into the first decade or so of the 20th century.
Best to read the thread there (link below) to follow the process of evolution which resulted in this being the likely design:
Summary: As you may know, the only "official" version of the Canadian Red Ensign until the adoption of the 1920's design was the one formally adopted in 1868, which bore a shield with armorial elements for only the original four Provinces (Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia). However, as new Provinces entered Confederation flag-makers took it upon themselves to embellish the shield with additional elements,. The image above is a representation of the very common "Seven Province" version, which also includes elements for Manitoba (1870), British Columbia (1871) and Prince Edward Island (1873.) This "unofficial" Ensign was what would be most often seen flying everywhere in Canada ( even over Government buildings) throughout the last quarter of the 19th Century, and well into the 20th. Even after Alberta and Saskatchewan entered Confederation in 1905, this was apparently the most commonly seen flag .... even during WWI ....
Various factors caused me to put this project on hold 2 or 3 months ago, but I am now resurrecting it. I need to determine how many people will definitely commit to buying one of these flags, which in turn will determine how big an order gets placed with the flag-maker and thus what the end cost will be. The flag will be 3' by 5' in size and (to keep the project practical and affordable) will be made of printed nylon or polyester. (At present, it appears that the cost of a single flag would be in the range of Cdn$55, plus costs of shipping to individual purchasers. (It would be nice to have a period correct "sewn" flag, but the cost would skyrocket!)
Here is the link to the original thread I mentioned earlier -
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452158
- Location
- Manitoulin Island
While respecting those who served under the ensign, there are some of us who will be glad to see the official end of the British flag, the governor general and the monarchy as they apply to Canada. I am not a Liberal supporter, but do have respect for Pearson, but very little for Trudeau although I think it was time we had our own constitution and charter of rights and freedoms. The original "Pearson Pennant" had the blue ends as I recall it, and I liked that, but I seem to remember that in the debate it was stated this was not heraldically (if that is a word) correct.
Bittermansbro
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary, AB
So I guess that's a no for you eh bushy?
