reddish color on the rail in brand new cz shadow---pictures are up now
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Since the Shadow has some sort of tough polymer or epoxy like coating if it is actually rust then you've got a serious problem as it would have to rust from under the coating to a point where it has caused a loss of the film bond between the metal and coating. More likely it's just some stubborn and dried out shipping oil that has a reddish colour.
Either way do not use anything abrasive on it. The normal method for cleanup of very light spot or flash rust on a blued gun is oil and a good scrub with 000 steel wool. But you should never use steel wool on a coated surface such as the current guns from CZ. If it won't clean up with some solvent and an old toothbrush then it's time for a warranty return.
Either way do not use anything abrasive on it. The normal method for cleanup of very light spot or flash rust on a blued gun is oil and a good scrub with 000 steel wool. But you should never use steel wool on a coated surface such as the current guns from CZ. If it won't clean up with some solvent and an old toothbrush then it's time for a warranty return.
it's probably not super airtight, but if you're worried you can buy those dessicant packs on eBay (cheap, shipped for free from China) and toss one or three into your case.
rust is usually red/orange/brown and looks like... well, rust! like bridges do if they're not painted. if it's rust, it's evil since rust acts like a sponge to trap moisture and help the rust "grow"
rust is usually red/orange/brown and looks like... well, rust! like bridges do if they're not painted. if it's rust, it's evil since rust acts like a sponge to trap moisture and help the rust "grow"
The box it came in is far from airtight. You said it was a NEW Shadow so I was thinking it was this way right out of the box. Now it appears from what you've typed that it's FAIRLY new but has attained this discolouration only while you've had the gun. Any way to get some close up pictures of the colouring so we can tell for sure if it's rust or not?
A few things. First off depending on how bad it is and if it IS rust then you may well need to refinish the slide. That means somehow stripping off the original coating, cleaning away the rust and then re-finishing with one of the better black gun kote type products. But if it IS rust you need to get under the coating and neutralize it.
As for storage unless you somehow got water into the box while at the range then the box is fine. If you got the rust from shooting outdoors over the winter than likely you did manage to trap some condensation or rain moisture in the foam. To get around that when in your cabinet at home crack the case open or stop storing it IN the case. If you're sure you didn't bring the moisture in with the gun by using it in cold outdoor situations then you need to review your gun safe for how it's installed and possible condensation issues in the safe. If it's in the basement on a concrete floor or up against an uncovered outside foundatin wall then that is a cause of condensation in the safe.
Those dripack things only work if the cabinet or box is well sealed. And then they don't work for very long. The silica gel inside saturates in a couple of days to a couple of weeks at most and needs to be put into a warm oven at around 150C for a couple of hours to re-activate it to soak up humidity at room temperature. Far simpler to deal with creating a dry storage environment using other means. If I had this issue I'd insulate the safe from the cold floor or outside foundation. I'd also be using a small heat source inside the safe down low that runs continuously. Just keeping the temperature inside the safe 5 to 10 degrees warmer than the outside will greatly reduce the humidity.
A few things. First off depending on how bad it is and if it IS rust then you may well need to refinish the slide. That means somehow stripping off the original coating, cleaning away the rust and then re-finishing with one of the better black gun kote type products. But if it IS rust you need to get under the coating and neutralize it.
As for storage unless you somehow got water into the box while at the range then the box is fine. If you got the rust from shooting outdoors over the winter than likely you did manage to trap some condensation or rain moisture in the foam. To get around that when in your cabinet at home crack the case open or stop storing it IN the case. If you're sure you didn't bring the moisture in with the gun by using it in cold outdoor situations then you need to review your gun safe for how it's installed and possible condensation issues in the safe. If it's in the basement on a concrete floor or up against an uncovered outside foundatin wall then that is a cause of condensation in the safe.
Those dripack things only work if the cabinet or box is well sealed. And then they don't work for very long. The silica gel inside saturates in a couple of days to a couple of weeks at most and needs to be put into a warm oven at around 150C for a couple of hours to re-activate it to soak up humidity at room temperature. Far simpler to deal with creating a dry storage environment using other means. If I had this issue I'd insulate the safe from the cold floor or outside foundation. I'd also be using a small heat source inside the safe down low that runs continuously. Just keeping the temperature inside the safe 5 to 10 degrees warmer than the outside will greatly reduce the humidity.
^ yeah, but those dessicant packs are cheap and reusable. buy a pack of 10 or 20, and just cycle them, 2-5 at a time. they're portable too, so they're always in the case even if the case is in your car or if there's a power outage that kills the heater. the other ideas are also great if the source is significant - but i'd still toss in a pack or three on a regular basis. i use them with all my camera lenses too - put lens plus one pack into a ziploc bag, suck out the air, seal, and store in (giant) camera bag. cheap extra protection!
OH! THAT'S DIFFERENT! So it's on the actual barrel's outside surface. Yeah, like beltfed says, just clean it with some oil and scouring pad or steel wool and it'll be good as gone.
I thought from the description that it was blooming out through the coating on the top outside of the slide.
Uh, I donno, but the barrel doesn't look unfired to me, there's a fair bit of copper in the grooves. My Shadow's barrel looks like this after a few hundred rounds. However, I'll let the experts chime in...
I doubt it's "unfired" as well. There are obvious signs of usage on the outside of the barrel itself...... And from the discoloration on the front of the frame, it sure looks like that gun has been in a holster as well.
If someone sold this to you as "unfired", they lied to you.
Paul
If someone sold this to you as "unfired", they lied to you.
Paul
Mine was unfired sltahered in oil; it did not look anything like that. Mine has the marks on the barrel like yours, but it now has ~2500 rounds through it and the inside of the frame does not look like that either. You may want to be talking to the person you bought it from.
