Registering AR lower for multiple uppers ?

I called a couple weeks ago to change from frame only, I asked this very question and the response I recieved was to call in each time I bought or completed an upper and they just add a note to your file you can switch uppers as often as you want and you don't need a registration slip with each barrel length on it.
 
rjg333 said:
I called a couple weeks ago to change from frame only, I asked this very question and the response I recieved was to call in each time I bought or completed an upper and they just add a note to your file you can switch uppers as often as you want and you don't need a registration slip with each barrel length on it.
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So all you're doing there is giving them a list of some uncontrolled parts you own...
 
i have 3 uppers, a 18 , 16 and 10.5. You can order and put together any upper without a pal or rpal, you can posses any upper without having a pal. The only part of an ar 15 that needs registration is the lower receiver. Maybe contact rcmp firearms identification not cfo.
 
fenceline said:
Hunting? AR15???
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mikethebike said:
someone will eventually seriously care if you hunt with an AR15 in Canada...
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fenceline said:
In the U.S. Perhaps on a Form 6.
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I hunt boar and feral pig in the US and use the AR. I mostly work in the south/south-west and humping a heavy rifle through the thickets these beasties call home would be a PITA in that heat and humidity. Not to mention that other than my lever gun, nothing comes close in terms of follow up shots (for me). A Springfield is too nice to drag through a hunting trip, so I go with the ARs
 
vdawg said:
The only part of an ar 15 that needs registration is the lower receiver. Maybe contact rcmp firearms identification not cfo.
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^^ This right here ^^^

The frame (lower receiver) is the serialized part, so it's the firearm. Everything else (upper, stock, barrel) are not.

Same as the new Sig 320: the part with the serial # is the actual Pistol (the fire control group) and not the polymer frame or stainless steel slide and barrel. You can swap those out for a bigger size or different caliber without needing new certs, as the FCG with the serial number doesn't change.

Also, same principle as putting a .22 exchange kit on a Sig 22x: no new cert needed as the frame remains the same.
 
Call every single time you switch the upper, Call them 6 times a day. Call them until they hate their job. Heard a guy on the forum mention that he did this with his 1911 .22 conversion slide 4 times in one day at the range to be a pain. If they're going to waste my tax money on a call center and office that does this all day they're going to work their asses off until they tell me to leave them alone. (and in turn they leave me alone)
 
rjg333 said:
I called a couple weeks ago to change from frame only, I asked this very question and the response I recieved was to call in each time I bought or completed an upper and they just add a note to your file you can switch uppers as often as you want and you don't need a registration slip with each barrel length on it.
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Is there any legal basis whatsoever to this? I have a registration slip in the mail for my 300 Blackout upper. The person I dealt has to put me on hold several times, since they didn't know anything about this.
 
You guys who keep poking the bear over this aren't going to be happy until an AR upper registry is created..
 
Melnibonean said:
^^ This right here ^^^

The frame (lower receiver) is the serialized part, so it's the firearm. Everything else (upper, stock, barrel) are not.

Same as the new Sig 320: the part with the serial # is the actual Pistol (the fire control group) and not the polymer frame or stainless steel slide and barrel. You can swap those out for a bigger size or different caliber without needing new certs, as the FCG with the serial number doesn't change.

Also, same principle as putting a .22 exchange kit on a Sig 22x: no new cert needed as the frame remains the same.
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Have you actually read your registration card?

States right on it "any change of calibre" needs to be reported within in 30 days.

Stupid, but that is what it says.
 
Juster said:
Call the CFC and report all possible uppers on different days. You now have a collection of different certificates for each configuration, with different .nnnn numbers.
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I have 5 lowers and 8 uppers. Wanna do the math to figure out how many combinations that is?

This caliber/bbl length thing with an AR is the height of stupidity .... but that will never stop the CFC trying to enforce it.
 
fenceline said:
Have you actually read your registration card?

States right on it "any change of calibre" needs to be reported within in 30 days.

Stupid, but that is what it says.
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this could be interpreted as a permanent change of caliber, not a day at the range. Temporary upper swap out is not illegal, although im sure the rcmp would like every firing pin registered and tested, but thats not going to happen.
 
fenceline said:
Have you actually read your registration card?

States right on it "any change of calibre" needs to be reported within in 30 days.

Stupid, but that is what it says.
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I know. It's the interpretation that's giving people the typical Canadian guilt trips and anxiety here.....

I believe that caliber change to mean permanently. Otherwise, I'd be calling the CFC from the shooting bay at my club every time I'm about to swap out the 9mm slide for a .22 conversion kit on my Sig 226. And then back again.

Same thing for my 12g that with the right adaptors, I can make a .410
 
fenceline said:
Where does it imply anything about having to be permanent? Just because the product allows for quick changes doesn't mean the law allows for it.

I'm not saying I like it, just pointing it out.
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Oh, I never meant to accuse you or say that you like it.

But the answer is already contained in the regulation (emphasis mine):

Firearms owners must report to the Registrar of Firearms, within 30 days:
- Any modification to a firearm that affects its classification (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited)
- Any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm
- Any change to a frame or receiver that allows it to discharge ammunition
- Any modification to the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm; and
- Any alteration to an altered automatic firearm."
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Uppers and slides are not considered firearms. Only the serialized parts are (frames and lower).

That's all I'm saying.
 
Melnibonean said:
Uppers and slides are not considered firearms. Only the serialized parts are (frames and lower).

That's all I'm saying.
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That is an interesting point in the case where the lower is the firearm and the upper is the caliber and barrel length, which would also apply to my Tokarev 7.62/9mm pistol.
Although my AR15 does have a "barrel length" according to the reg cert.
I'm wondering if "receiver only" would be less trouble.
 
Juster said:
That is an interesting point in the case where the lower is the firearm and the upper is the caliber and barrel length, which would also apply to my Tokarev 7.62/9mm pistol.
Although my AR15 does have a "barrel length" according to the reg cert.
I'm wondering if "receiver only" would be less trouble.
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My shotguns had barrel lengths on their certs too, but as everyone knows, you can easily and legally swap barrels on shotguns depending on what you're using them for. There was no need for new certs when doing so. The barrels aren't serialized, after all.
 
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