Registration Certificate vs Notification of Transfer for Restricteds
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The STATT specifically references the NOT and gives permission only for the firearm to go from the seller's location to the buyer's location. It doesn't say anything about needing the registration, which is what catches us on the LTATT.
Fill your boots, too bad that is not what the law says LOL
You might want to actually read C-42
On that conditions sheet you got with you PAL that you most likely threw out as there was nothing on it.
Shawn
I will have a definitive answer to the ATT shortly. Our club has to do a club wide renewal of all our members for October. We are contacting the CFO in regards to if we have to send in the renewal package or not. I will post the answer as soon as we find out.
Ok, here it is
(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized
(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and
(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).
To me this reads that anyone that has a LTATT can ( on sept 2) now freely take their firearms to any range or gunsmith in Ontario.
And this ......
(2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individ#ual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence
(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;
(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;
(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;
(d) to and from a gun show; and
(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.
So, to me this reads like after you renew, you have a ATT period. No more CFO involvement.
Anyone that doesn't have a LTATT in place will have to wait for their licence renewal before having the ATT attached to their licence.
You were correct Shawn. I was wrong
And then they through this in further down the page.
Automatic authorization to transport
(3.1) An authorization to transport referred to in subsection 19(1.1), (2.1) or (2.2) must take the form of a condition attached to a licence.
Not sure what to think........*sigh*
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So until we renew after Sep 2, we are supposed to keep our LTATT/ATT BS until we see the ATT listed as a Condition on our new license. Sound about right? My club LTATT expires at the end of the year and my RPAL is good until March/2016. Might have to start the renewal process in a month or so (like everyone else will).
Reg papers are still mandatory and nothing has changed. I have been told by my club and by calling someone at the CFO that the white transfer paper was 'good' as a temp Reg cert, apparently it's not.
Kind of sucks, as I've waited up to 3 weeks for the Reg Cert to come in the mail...
Reg papers are still mandatory and nothing has changed. I have been told by my club and by calling someone at the CFO that the white transfer paper was 'good' as a temp Reg cert, apparently it's not.
Kind of sucks, as I've waited up to 3 weeks for the Reg Cert to come in the mail...
Best to read your actual LTATT...there is some variance...mine has no such condition indicated.
Ya, mine states the certs must accompany the firearm and they nuked registered gunsmith as a destination with my last renewal.
Border crossings as a valid destination has always puzzled me. What's that about? Any Canada Post outlet would make more sense.
M
You answered you own question sort of:
Your are correct if you transfer a firearm the CFO must now attache those conditions to your NEW ATT. It does not say that you current ATT and the conditions listed on it are magically changed.
That is correct after you renew your ATT will be a condition attached to your license. Until then it is going nowhere.
Shawn
Your are correct if you transfer a firearm the CFO must now attache those conditions to your NEW ATT. It does not say that you current ATT and the conditions listed on it are magically changed.
That is correct after you renew your ATT will be a condition attached to your license. Until then it is going nowhere.
Shawn
Let The Debate Begin..
After close examination of Bill C-27 (Bill C-42 AFTER Royal Assent), the current Firearms Act and in consultation with more knowledgeable individuals then I am on this, the following conclusion is up for debate. I'll first list the two new relevant parts of the Act that concerns us
Automatic authorization to transport — licence renewal
(2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence
(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;
(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;
(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;
(d) to and from a gun show; and
(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.
Automatic authorization to transport — transfer
(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized
(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and
(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).
If you look closely at the two sections above, the first one refers to the authorization "IF" a license is renewed as defined by the Act. The second section of the Act refers to "AUTOMATIC AUTHORIZATION" to ALL holders of current Licenses. Apparently what the government is trying to do is limit the CFO's ability to place ANY controls whatsoever on RPALs both now (current) and in the future (renewals). Therefore, on Sept. 2nd you will NOT need to apply for ANY form of ATT as your current PAL provides that authorization.
Let the debate begin
After close examination of Bill C-27 (Bill C-42 AFTER Royal Assent), the current Firearms Act and in consultation with more knowledgeable individuals then I am on this, the following conclusion is up for debate. I'll first list the two new relevant parts of the Act that concerns us
Automatic authorization to transport — licence renewal
(2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence
(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;
(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;
(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;
(d) to and from a gun show; and
(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.
Automatic authorization to transport — transfer
(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized
(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and
(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).
If you look closely at the two sections above, the first one refers to the authorization "IF" a license is renewed as defined by the Act. The second section of the Act refers to "AUTOMATIC AUTHORIZATION" to ALL holders of current Licenses. Apparently what the government is trying to do is limit the CFO's ability to place ANY controls whatsoever on RPALs both now (current) and in the future (renewals). Therefore, on Sept. 2nd you will NOT need to apply for ANY form of ATT as your current PAL provides that authorization.
Let the debate begin
I find that hard to believe, I have never seen on that didn't. Can you post a pic?
Shawn
Thanks, but your missing a page. It says additional conditions at the top:
Shawn
Actually, I have no 3rd page - that's all that came in the envelope...and I know at least 2 other people (all in Ontario) that have the same LTATT as mine. On the other hand, I don't have border crossings or gunsmith either...need a STATT for that. My brother in law in BC has a 3rd page with border crossings but no gunsmith and my cousin in NS has a third page with Border crossings and gunsmith but also he has all of his reg certs listed on the actual LTATT...requiring a revised LTATT every time he buys or sells a gun.
Just shows the ridiculousness of provincial variance - maybe even variance within the provinces.
PS - mine expires this November so I guess we'll see what happens with C42 coming into force...should at least be standardized.
Weird, it is a three page document I dont know what that would mean if you ever had to go to court and could not produce the third page?
Once you renew your PAL it will be a non issue
Shawn
