Registration Documents

[polaris rider]

I have this giant friggen manila envelope with all my certs and my ATT in it. If I ever get asked for papers I'm just going to hand over the envelope and take a nap while they sort through it to match the right certificate to the right gun.

While they sort it out... now thats funny, i think your living in lala land my friend, hell they won't even take your drivers license out of your wallet, i am sure they won't sort threw your gun certificates, but you can try.

 

[Huntin' Gun]

I have a friend who was up in the hills last winter walking around shooting squirels with 7.62x39. He wasn't breaking any laws doing it. He parked just off the road where the road was gated off. Some people who were ice fishing reported the gunfire and there was some report of a crazy guy with a handgun. When my friend came out of the trees there were 3 RCMP cars around his truck and a CO as well. The officers ordered him to put the firearm down and come into view with hands up. The officers did not have their side-arms drawn. He complied and he was asked again and again where his handgun was. He didn't have one. They checked his PAL, which he had in his wallet. Then asked if the rifle was registered. It was. He was asked to produce the registration. He didn't have it in his truck. The phoned in to the Registration Center, but when they quoted the serial number they must have got it wrong. It came back as non-registered. He was about to lose his rifle. He argued again and again that yes it was registered, so they phoned again. This time it came back as registered so he was able to go and take his rifle with him.
Sometimes situations just happen, and even though you're not doing anything wrong you can wind up on the wrong side of the law. My friend was lucky he was able to keep his gun... or unlucky that some pansy fisherman narc'ed on him for doing nothing wrong.

 

[koop]

I was stopped for speeding once while I was in the process of moving, that was the day I was bringing a couple guns with me as I only had one case. RCMP asked for my registration, I kept those in the gun cabinet at home, could have been worse but I got a warning to carry the cards.

 

[promac]

Interesting. I always went with the "holder" wording as meaning that if it was at home, then I was a holder.

That is correct, so section 91 doesn't apply. However, section 117 requires that you present the documents to an officer on demand or lose your firearms. If you present the documents within 14 days, you get your firearms back.

 

[Camper]

I laminate the card and it goes in between the stock and the recoil pad on everyone of my guns so I never have to worry about losing them or not having them when I have the rifle out of the safe.

 

[GunGuy34]

For what the registry costs we shouldnt have to carry anything, they should be able to find out what you own and what your authorized to carry by running your P.A.L Just like running your drivers licence tells them your driving history.

 

[CoryTheCowboy]

For what the registry costs we shouldnt have to carry anything, they should be able to find out what you own and what your authorized to carry by running your P.A.L Just like running your drivers licence tells them your driving history.

Not trying to stir the pot or seem like I'm supporting it, but the few times I've been pulled over they've asked for both my license and the registration...

 

[GunGuy34]

Not trying to stir the pot or seem like I'm supporting it, but the few times I've been pulled over they've asked for both my license and the registration...

You know what i mean. Firearms are all registered and documented through one place. The CFC. Vehicles are registered provice to province. MY P.A.L is a Federal ID. My drivers licence is from Alberta. Yours is Ontario. It differs province to province.

 

[mmattockx]

I am the holder of a license and I am the holder of the registration certificate but I'm not holding it at this moment .

What about the amnesty? If one can legally own an unregistered firearm one can't produce a certificate can they? Therefore if one doesn't require a certificate for that rifle why should you need one for the registered rifle?

The amnesty does not absolve you from the requirement to register your non-restricted guns, it simply ensures you won't face charges if you are found with an unregistered gun.

Not to split hairs here, and I am no legal expert for sure, but if this is the Criminal Code in it's entirety as it applies to this issue, then it's the owning of the two documents not necessarily having them on your person that creates compliance with the law perhaps? "Yes, officer. I have both a PAL and a registration for this gun and they are both safe at home". Hope I never have to deal with this.....

You can read it that way, and the LEO can seize your gun until you produce those documents. Your choice. I very much doubt you will win that argument with a cop while standing on the side of the road.

Mark

 

[promac]

The amnesty does not absolve you from the requirement to register your non-restricted guns, it simply ensures you won't face charges if you are found with an unregistered gun.

That's not entirely correct. There are conditions.

Q. Who is protected by the amnesty order, and what protection does it provide?

The amnesty order may protect an individual from criminal liability for unauthorized possession of an unregistered, non-restricted firearm in the following circumstances:

the individual holds a valid firearms licence; or
the individual held a licence that expired on or after January 1, 2004.
To benefit from this protection, individuals need to be taking the necessary steps to comply with the law during the amnesty period. If they do nothing to comply, they cannot claim protection from criminal liability and their firearms may be seized.

The amnesty order does not provide protection from criminal liability under the Criminal Code for other offences related to non-restricted firearms, including, for example, unsafe storage of a firearm or lending a firearm to someone who is not licensed to possess it. It also does not protect individuals who possess restricted or prohibited firearms without a valid licence and registration certificate.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/amn-eng.htm#q1

 

[daveg01]

I don't carry them with me. I keep a copy of all my certs and ATTs in an envelope in the truck. Originals stay at home - with the exception of restricted firearms, I keep those docs in the case with the firearms so I never forget to have them.

If a CO, or police officer wants to see a cert in the field (hunting), they are going to have to come back to my truck with me.

Having said that, I've never been asked to produce any docs other than DL or hunting license when stopped my the OPP or the COs.