Registration requirements for self-built AR?

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Perhaps a dumb question, I got a lower and want to build another AR with it. Are there any requirements to register or update the existing registration (of the lower) with the barrel length, etc?
 
You have 30 days to call and notify once you complete the rifle.
You can always disassemble it and it's not a complete rifle anymore.
Many people have them registered as lowers and just play Legos.
 
honestly if you store your lower apart from your upper then just keep it registered as a lower, then add an upper when you get to he range, makes transport and storage so much ch easiet.
i just keep my lowers in the safe not my uppers.
 
There is a lot of information in this thread that will get people in trouble.

If you have an AR15 lower registered as a receiver only, the full registration will state that it is not capable of discharging ammunition, you can not attach an upper with barrel, BCG, etc. to it and discharge ammunition from it.

You have 30 days in which to re-register it as being able to discharge ammunition. Until such time as it is registered as such, you can not transport it to a range, shoot it etc.

The 30 days is a grace period, similar to changing your registered address. It does not allow you to attach an upper for 29 days every month, or take it to a range and throw on an upper, and take it off before you leave the range.

You also don't need to re-register it every time you put a different upper on it. Register it with the upper you use most, or even your shortest upper if you prefer, and store and tranport it with that one, changing it out at the range.

You can disagree with the above all you like, but I have received this information directly from the NB CFO, and confirmed it with the Martime RCMP firearms guys. If you are caught, they will arrest and charge you.

I'm not posting this for any other reason than to keep you guys from getting into trouble unnecessarily. If you want to argue about it, call your CFO or the RCMP.

Regards.

Mark
 
thump_rrr said:
You have 30 days to call and notify once you complete the rifle.
You can always disassemble it and it's not a complete rifle anymore.
Many people have them registered as lowers and just play Legos.
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If you get stopped by the police and they ask how long it has been assembled you will need a very good explanation. They will not question you if the lower is stripped and bare of an LPK however will forcefully inquire if they see its outfitted with an LPK. Believe me they know the games owners play and will impose their will on you. If not you will be one lucky owner.

So once it is finished - built you SHOULD/MUST register it as a completed rifle by forwarding the barrel length and caliber info to the CFO. Then have this completed legally registered rifle stored in the safe with the ability to switch out many more separate uppers as you choose.
 
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lots of holes in that logic
what if you sell/transfer your lower only?
what are you then transferring?
you have to again register ir as a lower only then transfer it?

why does it matter what upper is attached to a restricted AR15 with a registration certificate? why?
its registered to you, you have the tegistration certificate, serial numbers match, whats the problem?
 
mikethebike said:
lots of holes in that logic
what if you sell/transfer your lower only?
what are you then transferring?
you have to again register ir as a lower only then transfer it?
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I recently did this. I had a rifle registered as a 12.5" .300blk and parted it out. Sold the stripped lower and when I called to initiate the transfer I read her the serial number and then said "I am transferring this as a lower frame/receiver only." She updated everything within 10 seconds and gave me the reference number for the transfer.
Easy peasy.
 
If you purchase a strippeded lower and sell it with an upper it must be registered as an operational rifle. If Said buyer separates the upper from the lower for resale he must register it as a receiver only before he sells it.
 
When I completed my AR build like 5 years ago I tried to call and update the registration and they had no idea what I was talking about.
 
The "30 days" time frame is grace period is not free pass to travel around with your upper and lower separated, the regulation is pretty clear about it.


Conditions

  • 4 (1) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar, within 30 days after the modification, of
    • (a) any modification to the firearm that results in a change of class of the firearm;
    • (b) in the case of a firearm registered as a frame or receiver only, any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition;
    • (c) any modification to an altered automatic firearm; and
    • (d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.
  • (2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,
    • (a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
    • (b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period.
Revocation

10 The Registrar shall revoke a registration certificate if

  • (a) its holder contravenes any condition attached to it, including the conditions referred to in sections 4 to 6; or
  • (b) the Registrar is advised under paragraph 4(1)(a) of a modification that changes the class of the firearm or is advised under paragraph 4(1)(b) or subsection 4(2) of a modification referred to in either of those provisions.
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hbean said:
The "30 days" time frame is grace period is not free pass to travel around with your upper and lower separated, the regulation is pretty clear about it.
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it is clear which modifications require a notification: type, calibre, gauge, action.
but then i havent changed the type, calibre, action or gauge, doesnt say anything about barrel length

its still an ar15, still shoots 223, it is still semi

so dunno...
 
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MWL said:
There is a lot of information in this thread that will get people in trouble.

If you have an AR15 lower registered as a receiver only, the full registration will state that it is not capable of discharging ammunition, you can not attach an upper with barrel, BCG, etc. to it and discharge ammunition from it.

You have 30 days in which to re-register it as being able to discharge ammunition. Until such time as it is registered as such, you can not transport it to a range, shoot it etc.

The 30 days is a grace period, similar to changing your registered address. It does not allow you to attach an upper for 29 days every month, or take it to a range and throw on an upper, and take it off before you leave the range.

You also don't need to re-register it every time you put a different upper on it. Register it with the upper you use most, or even your shortest upper if you prefer, and store and tranport it with that one, changing it out at the range.

You can disagree with the above all you like, but I have received this information directly from the NB CFO, and confirmed it with the Martime RCMP firearms guys. If you are caught, they will arrest and charge you.

I'm not posting this for any other reason than to keep you guys from getting into trouble unnecessarily. If you want to argue about it, call your CFO or the RCMP.

Regards.

Mark
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If you get stopped by the police and they ask how long it has been assembled you will need a very good explanation. They will not question you if the lower is stripped and bare of an LPK however will forcefully inquire if they see its outfitted with an LPK. Believe me they know the games owners play and will impose their will on you. If not you will be one lucky owner.

So once it is finished - built you SHOULD/MUST register it as a completed rifle by forwarding the barrel length and caliber info to the CFO. Then have this completed legally registered rifle stored in the safe with the ability to switch out many more separate uppers as you choose.
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If this is the case then why does the CFO frequently give me STATT's to attend clinics in other provinces for 2 of my AR-15 lowers that are registered as receivers.
Do they think that I am throwing a bare receiver at the target?
I was also given LTATT's to a US range I have a membership at.
With the current regs I no longer need an LTATT to go to the border because it is part of the conditions attached to our license.

ETA I have a 14.5" upper with a pinned and welded muzzle device.
I would have to register it in Canada as a 14.5" barrel.
In the USA it is perfectly acceptable to measure barrel length to include the muzzle device as long as it is permanently attached.
I have it registered on my form 6NIA as 16-1/4".
If it was registered as a completed rifle with a 14.5" barrel this would cause issues for me.
 
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Well I was told by the CFC to register the complete rifle in the largest calibre I owned. The day previous I talked to someone else that said they'd register it "multicalibre", but I didn't have my paperwork in front of me.
Oh, Canada.
 
seems we are being told very different stories, i believe if I havent changed the type, calibre, action or gauge of the firearm, an AR15 registered receiver is an AR15, nothing wrong with the registration.

But see now you guys got me a bit scared even though frig ive done nothing wrong, so maybe ill re register my mk12 mod0

So what do i register it as?
it has:
cc lower
vltor upper
noveske spr barrel 18 inches

what do I say when I call them?
 
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I called on Friday and asked to change my complete IUR rifle to a frame/reviecer only, as I just had purchased another upper and wanted to be able to swap them out when going to the range.

I explained this and they had no issue with it and issued me a revised certificate for a frame/receiver only in minutes.

So who really knows WTF is going on.
 
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