Registration requirements for self-built AR?
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It's the receiver that is registered and it's a restricted.
What difference does it make to them if it's a 7.5" barrel or a 24" barrel?
Again what difference does it make if it shoots .223 or .50 Beowulf?
If you get pulled over you have the registration for the receiver which is the serialized part.
It's not like a T/C Contender where you can swap between a 24" barrel and rifle stock which is non restricted and a 10" barrel and pistol grip which is restricted.
What difference does it make to them if it's a 7.5" barrel or a 24" barrel?
Again what difference does it make if it shoots .223 or .50 Beowulf?
If you get pulled over you have the registration for the receiver which is the serialized part.
It's not like a T/C Contender where you can swap between a 24" barrel and rifle stock which is non restricted and a 10" barrel and pistol grip which is restricted.
Thumper I know! you're preaching to the quire here bud, but these other people are making me frigging nervous.
As I said earlier, I get 4-5 STATT's per year for the last 4 years for my 2 lowers.
You would think that if it wasn't kosher someone would have raised a red flag.
No no you get pulled over and if you can not prove you just built it by showing a bill of sale with a young ownership date you will have some splanen to do. If you have a lower and for arguments sake, 5 completed uppers and not one is used as a mate for said lower to have it registered as an operational firearm you will also have some splanen to do. They know the games so the LEO will call it in to check. If an officer doesn't you are lucky and should follow up by purchasing a loto ticket.
If a lower has the ability to fire a cartridge with an upper attached it MUST be registered as a complete firearm.
Scenario: I have/had a registered stripped lower on file. Called CFO to sell said lower, however it's with an upper to get a shipping STATT and was refused because it's a lower with the ability to fire a cartridge so it required to be registered as a functional firearm. The CFO demanded the barrel length, caliber, make and how many cartridges to check the FRT before it could be shipped.
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Yeah, like I said, I just explained the whole idea to them on the phone and they did it. Ontario CFO approved the registration change no questions asked. I just said, right now its registered with a 15.7" barrel, but I just bought a 14.5" upper, and want to be able to change it up as I see fit since the just the lower is the technical firearm. No questions asked, new reg cert approved and issued.
The lower is the firearm. IMO attaching non-firearm parts (such as an upper) to it makes no bearing on its legal, registered status, and apparently the Ontario CFO agrees with me.
Exactly. A 100% machined lower is capable of discharging ammunition, provided other non firearm (in a legal sense) are in place. The machined lower is the firearm, and in the eyes of the law is capable of discharging ammunition whether the other parts are in place or not.
As per the exact letters of the law, as long as the lower isn't registered as a "FRAME/RECEIVER ONLY" as per condition 4(1)b, you can change the upper all you want as you pointed out, length of barrel isn't listed under condition 4(2).
Therefore register the lower along with just one of your uppers to satisfy 'any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition' condition, then you are good.
Therefore register the lower along with just one of your uppers to satisfy 'any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition' condition, then you are good.
ok yah hat makes sense
MWL, the NB CFO told you this eh?
Know what the NB CFO told me? They told me a while back that the AR15 was prohibited.
I think your correct for the most part but the NB CFO would be the last place I would draw info from.
Moe
Know what the NB CFO told me? They told me a while back that the AR15 was prohibited.
I think your correct for the most part but the NB CFO would be the last place I would draw info from.
Moe
Ok, as I stated before, I am not going to argue about this, I am just stating the information given directly to me by two specific sources.
When I say directly to me, I mean in actual face to face discussions on several occasions with both the actual CFO in NB, and the RCMP member responsible for guns and gang investigations in the Maritimes.
Do not confuse this with telephoning the CFO's office, even in NB, or worse yet CFC in Miramichi. If you called the CFO's office in NB in the last several years, and spoke with a female, you weren't talking to the CFO.
If you see the actual long registration form for a receiver or firearm, it has a lot more information than those little yellow slips of paper.
If a firearm , yes, a firearm, is registered as a frame/receiver only, it is incapable of discharging ammunition. Modifying or altering it such that it is capable of discharging ammunition requires it to be registered as such. If you fail to do so, you are in contravention of the act.
We build guns for LE departments. When we take a stripped lower and build it so that it is capable of discharging ammunition, we are required to re-register it as such. Changing a barrel length, provided it does not change the firearms status, is different.
As I said if you disagree with this, make an appointment to speak to either of the above people face to face. Just because you have done certain things does not make it legal, and advising others to do the same could lead to them being unnecessarily in trouble.
I am neither agreeing, or disagreeing with this interpretation, I am merely passing on the exact information I have been given. You can do with it as you please.
Regards.
Mark
When I say directly to me, I mean in actual face to face discussions on several occasions with both the actual CFO in NB, and the RCMP member responsible for guns and gang investigations in the Maritimes.
Do not confuse this with telephoning the CFO's office, even in NB, or worse yet CFC in Miramichi. If you called the CFO's office in NB in the last several years, and spoke with a female, you weren't talking to the CFO.
If you see the actual long registration form for a receiver or firearm, it has a lot more information than those little yellow slips of paper.
If a firearm , yes, a firearm, is registered as a frame/receiver only, it is incapable of discharging ammunition. Modifying or altering it such that it is capable of discharging ammunition requires it to be registered as such. If you fail to do so, you are in contravention of the act.
We build guns for LE departments. When we take a stripped lower and build it so that it is capable of discharging ammunition, we are required to re-register it as such. Changing a barrel length, provided it does not change the firearms status, is different.
As I said if you disagree with this, make an appointment to speak to either of the above people face to face. Just because you have done certain things does not make it legal, and advising others to do the same could lead to them being unnecessarily in trouble.
I am neither agreeing, or disagreeing with this interpretation, I am merely passing on the exact information I have been given. You can do with it as you please.
Regards.
Mark
.....and here is another scenario. If you have a complete operational firearm and you sell the upper and have the lower that you intend to strip and keep in the safe you are required to call it in to have the CFO change it from an operational rifle to a receiver/frame only. Then if you plan on using said receiver for a future build and indeed return the lower to a state of being able to discharge a cartridge you MUST call the CFO for a new updated certificate.
The CFO and the RCMP demand that gun owners properly register our firearms for an up to date registry. There is no if, ands or buts about that.
To many posters assume what should be done and feel that the laws are very confusing. Just call the CFO about what you are doing and I guarantee you in Ontario they will point you into the right direction.
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Have you explained exactly what you intended to do with said lower? Did you point out that the frame/receiver was going there to be coupled to an upper and used to discharge a cartridge? Probably not eh?
For all intent and purposes you could be going there to sell it and the CFO doesn't care but as soon as you indicate what it is being used for the questions will fly your way.
Like I, along with others have stated..... we agree that IF you have a lower/receiver registered with one completed upper you are good to go. However it will not fly to have a receiver and multiple completed uppers that can be assembled to discharge a cartridge in your possession without the proper certificate.
