Registration requirements for self-built AR?

Firearm = Frame/Receiver (stripped) .....a Certificate stating such and indicating such.
Firearm = Frame/Receiver (assembled with a LPK)
Firearm = Frame/Receiver/Completed upper with barrel (a certificate indicating the barrel length)
 
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thump_rrr said:
So then please explain why the CFO has given me, on at least 16 occasions, an STATT to go to CQB clinics with a couple of frames/receivers?
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Sqr said:
Have you explained exactly what you intended to do with said lower? Did you point out that the frame/receiver was going there to be coupled to an upper and used to discharge a cartridge? Probably not eh?

For all intent and purposes you could be going there to sell it and the CFO doesn't care but as soon as you indicate what it is being used for the questions will fly your way.
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I believe this letter of invitation is very clear.
Notice that it states CQB Shooting Clinic

My request is to attend said event so I think they are intelligent enough to realize that I am shooting a completed firearm.
People on this forum will go out of their way to prove they are right when if fact they are not.
I currently have one infraction that is still active so I will leave it at that.

 
Perhaps the reason you were able to get all those those STATT for your frame/receivers without anyone rising any red flags, is because STATT is a blanket authorization for all the restricted you own not for a specific firearm, Unless the CFO in your Province plays with a different set of rules and require you to specify each firearm you are travelling with.

All the times that I had to get a STATT, the CFO staff just asked me where I was going, when and how long I need it for, they have never questioned me about which firearm I was taking.

thump_rrr said:
As I said earlier, I get 4-5 STATT's per year for the last 4 years for my 2 lowers.
You would think that if it wasn't kosher someone would have raised a red flag.
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thump_rrr said:
So then please explain why the CFO has given me, on at least 16 occasions, an STATT to go to CQB clinics with a couple of frames/receivers?
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hbean said:
Perhaps the reason you were able to get all those those STATT for your frame/receivers without anyone rising any red flags, is because STATT is a blanket authorization for all the restricted you own not for a specific firearm, Unless the CFO in your Province plays with a different set of rules and require you to specify each firearm you are travelling with.

All the times that I had to get a STATT, the CFO staff just asked me where I was going, when and how long I need it for, they have never questioned me about which firearm I was taking.
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Reg Cert numbers for the 2 AR's and 2 pistols I travel with were on the STATT.
Even a stripped out lower receiver is a firearm and no matter what length or caliber of barrel is on it doesn't change the classification so why should they care?
I have a valid license, a Reg Cert, and an STATT. Once again what difference does it make?
 
I do agreed with you it is a firearm no matter, the reality is the Canadian firearm laws are poorly written and when the situation does comes up the crown prosecutors and the presiding judge will always side with the exact wording of the law, if you feel you are close enough to the conditions that was written and feel comfortable with it than so be it.
 
Law is pooped. And depends on what province you lived in its basically a free for all.
BC for the most part has a bit of leeway as far as frame receiver only, i have bumped into cops at the range/stores and most of them have implied that, yes stick by the law but then how do we know when the 30day starts? Majority of them concerns more about having it registered, trigger locked and have a LTatt then knowing what caliber comes out of the business end.
Take this as a grain of salt cause every LE and province is different.
 
What gets me about some of the logic being applied here is that if you build an AR, you don't actually know it's capable of discharging ammunition until you're discharged ammunition. I'm also curious why people think adding a LPK would change a receiver's status. Without a buffer, and a complete upper, it's still just a paperweight.
 
MWL said:
Ok, as I stated before, I am not going to argue about this, I am just stating the information given directly to me by two specific sources.

When I say directly to me, I mean in actual face to face discussions on several occasions with both the actual CFO in NB, and the RCMP member responsible for guns and gang investigations in the Maritimes.

Do not confuse this with telephoning the CFO's office, even in NB, or worse yet CFC in Miramichi. If you called the CFO's office in NB in the last several years, and spoke with a female, you weren't talking to the CFO.

If you see the actual long registration form for a receiver or firearm, it has a lot more information than those little yellow slips of paper.

If a firearm , yes, a firearm, is registered as a frame/receiver only, it is incapable of discharging ammunition. Modifying or altering it such that it is capable of discharging ammunition requires it to be registered as such. If you fail to do so, you are in contravention of the act.

We build guns for LE departments. When we take a stripped lower and build it so that it is capable of discharging ammunition, we are required to re-register it as such. Changing a barrel length, provided it does not change the firearms status, is different.

As I said if you disagree with this, make an appointment to speak to either of the above people face to face. Just because you have done certain things does not make it legal, and advising others to do the same could lead to them being unnecessarily in trouble.

I am neither agreeing, or disagreeing with this interpretation, I am merely passing on the exact information I have been given. You can do with it as you please.

Regards.

Mark
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This is exactly what I have always understood the law to mean. I know we can't always use logic to interpret out firearms laws but this simply makes sense.
I bought an IUR upper. I still have my SA 15.7 upper. I did not change anything regarding registration, nor do I intend to.

My son bought a stripped lower. It is registered as such. He does not have a single part yet to complete the build. It cannot fire. Once he gets all the parts and completes the build, he will call in.
If I have 12 uppers of different calibers or lengths or whatever, they are not part of the mix.
This is how I intend to continue. I don't care what Sally in Miramichi says when buddy called her and asked for a STATT. She just did what seemed right at the time. We know they don't always get it right.
 
thaeffman said:
so can I still store my ar-15 lower in the safe separate from its upper or is that a no no???
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Yes. I have an upper attached to mine and another upper outside of the safe. No problem. If I walk into a store and buy an upper, there is no registration. I just take it home.
 
so if I change from a 10 " to a 14" at the range I have to phone the CFC? Every time I change a different barrel length on a receiver at home I have to phone the CFC? If I leave a receiver without an upper I have to phone the CFC?
 
When dealing with any employee of the Canadian Firearms Program and a question of law I always ask for it in writing on official letterhead. If they refuse that tells me exactly how much faith to put in their opinion, because it's an opinion and not law.
 
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