Relading for Semi-Auto rifles
- Thread starter Paul_1982
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You shoot them in a semi-auto?
I agree, and I'm sure the giraud does a bang up job, but so does a camdex. That's why I suggested buying black sheep pre-prepped brass.
The way I see it, if I sell my own brass and buy pre-prepped brass, all I've done is sub-contracting the prepping, to someone who might very well be better equipped and therefore do a better job than I would, all for a few pennies. Essentially, if I had enough brass, I could send it to black sheep (or anyone else with a camdex), he does the prepping and charges a given amount, say 10¢ a piece, and sends them back to me. Or I could sell my non-prepped brass on the EE, then outright buy from black sheep, and the cost to me is the difference in price, so, say 10¢. Doesn't matter which route I choose, I end up sending non-prepped brass away and receving prepped brass, all for 10¢ a piece.
Then the first 7000 pieces are free compared to buying a giraud. And all the time you've saved can be spent shooting instead of prepping.
Then you have a better AR than mine. Mine doesn't see a difference between a plinking round and a super vmax blessed by a virgin monk using water from the dead sea.
Really, I have a 650$ AR, it doesn't make a difference to me. I mostly use it for plinking and sometimes later in cqb or 3 gun matches, where the targets are usually sub-50 meters. I would need to invest in a new gun before anything else to see a difference.
My earlier point still stands though. The 10¢ difference is between a piece of fired brass and a piece of prepped brass, not for finished rounds.
I have the Frankfurt case prep machine you are looking at. I use it for prepping my 223 for my bolt gun and my semi auto. I can trim to length, swage the primer pockets on the once fired LC military brass, clean the pocket and debur the neck all with one machine. I really like it and the case length setting is very accurate once set....mine never varies by more than .001 for a given piece of brass. For 240$ it is a great deal. I do about 300-400 pieces per session. I would buy again.
It is recommended that you use primers with a cup thickness of .025 to help prevent slam fires in AR15 type rifles. Example the Remington 6 1/2 primers have a warning to only use with lower pressure cartridges like the .22 Hornet because the primer cup is .020 in thickness.
Remington ran our Lake City Army Ammunition Plant from 1941 until 1982, and Remington used the 7 1/2 primer in all 5.56 ammunition.
Both the M14 and M16 rifles had the firing pin lightened during initial testing to prevent slam fires. This was because slam fires occurred when loading a single round without the magazine in the rifle. With the magazine in the rifle and feeding from the magazine the bolt velocity was slowed down and slam fires did not occur. "BUT" primers not seated properly and sticking above the base of the case with reloads may still cause a slam fire.
Read the link below, I had a SKS go full auto on me and keeping the bolt clean is very important.
CHOOSING THE RIGHT PRIMER - A PRIMER ON PRIMERS
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/?topic=56422.0
I just bought the Franford... gabe me extra room to buy bullet feeders from here: http://socalsw.com/
Thanks all!
I have never bought brass for .223 or my .308 semi autos.
I think my .223 stash alone sits at around 10,000 pieces, usually in various states of prep.
If you look at the costs of handloading and factor in your time, then it really isn’t part of the hobby.
Lots of guys shoot and don’t even bother to pick up their brass - I get it, different stokes and all of that.
I’m not sure I fully understand the thought process behind picking up your brass to have someone else process it for you to save time and/or money, but I’ll humour you:
If you factor 10 cents per piece, processed, just to trim to length and inside/outside debur on the Garand, you could do close to 1000 pieces in an hour. That’s what, $100 an hour?
I wouldn’t factor in sizing because even with new bagged brass, you are going to run them in a sizing die to get the dings out of the case mouths.
Prepped brass is sized before trimming, so you actually have to factor that in. It's also cleaned and pocket swagged. 1000 pieces/hours is 3.6 seconds per piece. You can't do that unless you're very, very well equipped. I don't think most humans can do that on a single stage and a giraud trimmer. If you can you're a machine.
And btw the 10¢ is of the top of my head. I'm not sure how much 1fired brass sells for on the EE or how much BSB sells prepped brass for. Difference could be less than 10¢. I'd be surprised if it was more than that though.
Really? You size it before trimming. Wow.
The point I’m making is that even if you buy once processed brass that has been sized, or brand new brass, you are likely to sent it through a sizer again to get the dings out.
The thousand cases per hour is in reference to the trim to length and the deburring of the inside and outside of the case mouth on the Giraud, and yes it is that fast.
I size cases on a Dillon 650, so you could add that roughly same time frame to the trimming step. All in all with cleaning, sorting total time spent on one case is around 10 seconds.
‘Well equipped’ - yes I think that is the point some are trying to make in this thread.
TurboTapin
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I do the same... With that being said, yes I see your point; it will slow you down considerably but you're suppose to technically size before trimming to have uniform length. If you're just reloading for plinking ammo, or ammo you're not expecting to shoot .25" moa groups with then it shouldn't matter.
Cheers.
TurboTapin
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It's rare I reload plinking ammo, but it still saves a lot of money.
TurboTapin
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All good. Cheers.
