Reload with retention?

Generally speaking and I mean generally, when shooting IDPA, it is best to shoot to slide lock since you don't have to retain the empty mag. Slide lock reloads are are faster than the other two types of reloads.

Where this doesn't apply is if you are shooting a stage where you could find yourself out in the open with not enough rounds to engage all exposed targets or where you about to engage an activator popper and have only one round in your gun. Tough when you are activating a disappearing target with a popper and indeed only have one round in your gun - please don't ask me how I know this.:D

For me the Tac Reload is the hardest and slowest of the three reloads to master with speed. It seems I manage to fumble this one just about everytime I try it when the clock is running.

Take Care

Bob
 
So I guess this is the official ruling then? Thanks for the clarification. I would have thought that the statement that the reload must be 'fully completed' would include all the steps.

John in B.C. said:
Hence the tactic used on the Classifier Stage 3 String 2 of stowing the mag while moving from the barricade to the barrel.
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That's a sneaky way of saving a bit of time, but it it's game legal then why not!
 
Can you get a "fail to do right" penalty if you on purpose shoot until slide locks just to make a reload without mag retention?
 
owlowl said:
Can you get a "fail to do right" penalty if you on purpose shoot until slide locks just to make a reload without mag retention?
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Yes.
It is considered 'round dumping' and can lead to a call of 'Failure to do Right' (FTDR)which is a catch all for actions by the shooter to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of the stage or the sport. FTDRs carry a 20 second penalty, and can in essence sewer a shooters whole match.
 
In reality, if you have the advantage of full cover, would you really leave cover until your gun was fully reloaded and you have full control of it once again, ie. like a firm 2 handed grip, or would you risk the possbility of having to engage targets one handed becuase you still have a mag in your hand when you leave cover? Not me, my gun is always reloaded and ready to go with a firm 2 handed grip before I leave cover. If I am moving from point A to point B and have to engage targets on the move, I want nothing in my hands except my firearm so I can engage them with a solid 2 handed grip, especially a mag that I have to pocket and may have issue with while engaging targets on the move. For the time it will take you to get rid of your mag into your pocket, it is not worth the chance of loosing points when you have to engage targets with a one handed grip, practiced or not, but hey thats just me.
 
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Steve David said:
In reality, if you have the advantage of full cover, would you really leave cover until your gun was fully reloaded and you have full control of it once again, ie. like a firm 2 handed grip, or would you risk the possbility of having to engage targets one handed becuase you still have a mag in your hand when you leave cover? Not me, my gun is always reloaded and ready to go with a firm 2 handed grip before I leave cover. If I am moving from point A to point B and have to engage targets on the move, I want nothing in my hands except my firearm so I can engage them with a solid 2 handed grip, especially a mag that I have to pocket and may have issue with while engaging targets on the move. For the time it will take you to get rid of your mag into your pocket, it is not worth the chance of loosing points when you have to engage targets with a one handed grip, practiced or not, but hey thats just me.
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I agree from a tactical out look but from a game out look you are allways trying shave off a little time. I'm a little more about the tactics then some people so the only way I'm going to get faster is to learn to get on target and my rounds down range faster. Some people are a little more about the game so they will find ways to shave there time down. I don't think there is anything wrong with this its more about why your playing and what you want to take out of the game.
 
I think on up close targets I could shoot the targets strong hand if I had to,..one handed draw is supposed to be faster than two handed draw from a training standpoint.
 
Steve David said:
In reality, if you have the advantage of full cover, would you really leave cover until your gun was fully reloaded and you have full control of it once again, ie. like a firm 2 handed grip, or would you risk the possbility of having to engage targets one handed becuase you still have a mag in your hand when you leave cover? Not me, my gun is always reloaded and ready to go with a firm 2 handed grip before I leave cover. If I am moving from point A to point B and have to engage targets on the move, I want nothing in my hands except my firearm so I can engage them with a solid 2 handed grip, especially a mag that I have to pocket and may have issue with while engaging targets on the move. For the time it will take you to get rid of your mag into your pocket, it is not worth the chance of loosing points when you have to engage targets with a one handed grip, practiced or not, but hey thats just me.
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From a tactics point, there is advantage to having a mag out of the gun for the least amount of time (Tac-Load). Consider your position of 'cover' as a temporary affair only and that you could be 'bumped' from (potentially) any angle, at any time -even in the midst of your re-load. If I was bumped during a reload, I'd rather have two rounds in the mag and one in the spout than one in the spout and reaching for a fresh mag.....

Also, assuming that same scenario above, and one is still in the fight, I'd (potentially) want to be moving off that position asap.
 
Fortunately we are just playing a game here so shooters tend to do what they can do the fastest since time, not our lives. are at stake.

When I practice I manage the Tac Re-load quite well, when shooting a match I convert to my usual four thumb routine and opt for the reload with retention which usually invokes a chorus of commentary from the assembled audience.:D

I have been practicing my Tac Reload over the winter so we will see if the masses are hushed next month. BCLineman no doubt will keep you advised of my progress.;)

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
BCLineman no doubt will keep you advised of my progress.;)
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...and I will try and be there to take pictures of you doing it, like this one where you continued to shoot without storing your mag after the tac reload... :p

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Thanks for the thread, very informative.

Can anyone explain the theoritical difference between the two? It seems in both cases, you are retaining a partially loaded mag and topping off a fresh one, so why in a gunfight, would you prefer one type of reload (tac vs RWR) over another?

I would think it a real life situation, I would perform the reload that I could do the fastest.
 
In a real gunfight you would be so scared you would shoot til you were dry!!! Then you would pee your pants and shake like as leaf.......:eek:

IDPA is a game and only a game. Anyone who thinks they are going to train themselves for a gunfight by shooting IDPA is fooling themselves. LIke Bob said its a game. Don't confuse the two.:cool:

When I shoot IDPA I do everything according to the rules. Within the rules I am trying to find the smoothest/fastest way to do everything I have to accomplish.;)

If I am ever in a situation where I believe I am going to use a firearm to defend myself and my family I will not be reaching for a pistol.

In close, shotguns beat pistols and a distance rifles beat shotguns.:sniper:

IDPA is a game...as has been said many threads over and over...so have fun!!!:rockOn:
 
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John in B.C. said:
In a real gunfight you would be so scared you would shoot til you were dry!!! Then you would pee your pants and shake like as leaf.......:eek:

IDPA is a game and only a game. Anyone who thinks they are going to train themselves for a gunfight by shooting IDPA is fooling themselves. LIke Bob said its a game. Don't confuse the two.:cool:

When I shoot IDPA I do everything according to the rules. Within the rules I am trying to find the smoothest/fastest way to do everything I have to accomplish.;)

If I am ever in a situation where I believe I am going to use a firearm to defend myself and my family I will not be reaching for a pistol.

In close, shotguns beat pistols and a distance rifles beat shotguns.:sniper:

IDPA is a game...as has been said many threads over and over...so have fun!!!:rockOn:
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Yes I know, I didn't misunderstand that, but if its a game, why is there so many types of reloads? Surely there must be a purpose derived from a real life scenario? Also, if its a game, why do you need to take cover, cardboard targets don't shoot back you know. The point I am trying to make is that scenario based games will try to shadow real life, and if thats the case, there might be some reason why there is a difference between a tac reload and a RWR

I don't expect IDPA is going to make me a gunfighter, nor would that ever be the reason I would participate. For me, its all about fun and shooting.
 
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