Reloading Challenger Hulls

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I need some assistance with finding some recipe data for Challenger hulls.

I've been trying to find some data across the internet and i'm getting a lot of conflicting reports, maybe someone here can clarify it all for me.

Here's what I want to do, I want to reload a 7/8oz 12ga trap load. I've heard that the Challenger hulls are Cheddite and that Cheddite hulls are also the Fiocchi hulls. I can find data from Alliant on the Fiocchi hulls, but they're different from the listed data for Cheddite, and absolutely no one lists Challenger data.

Does anyone know where I can get definitive information on reloading the Challenger hulls to 7/8oz 7.5#?

Hope someone can give me a hand on this.
 
Sorry I cannot help since I only load those in the trash can as do the guys I know reloading 12ga
For 5 cents each you can pick up STS or AA which there is tons of data for your requirements plus last 6-10 reloads
There is a reason you cannot find data for them. I never put good components in poor grade hulls
Cheers
 
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Challenger hulls are in fact made by Cheddite in France. These are good hulls. Go to a site called Shotgun World and go to the reloading section. Should be lots there as Cheddite are very common there. I reload 16 ga with Cheddite Hulls and have had very good luck.

Darryl
 
madtrapper143 said:
Challenger hulls are in fact made by Cheddite in France. These are good hulls. Go to a site called Shotgun World and go to the reloading section. Should be lots there as Cheddite are very common there. I reload 16 ga with Cheddite Hulls and have had very good luck.

Darryl
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Common in 12ga reloading Darryl??? Have never seen anyone reload them in 12 ga
16ga is a different animal where we are pretty well forced to use what we can find or be as old as dog poop like me and still reloading 16ga compression formed AA from the stash:)
Not my pic but I and most target shooters don't do seperate base wad hulls for target loads at least so far and hope I never have to
To each their own I guess

To the OP remington compression formed gun club work OK also and load like a sts. Must be some of those in the trash bins at the club???
Cheers
Challenger/ cheddite
 
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Cheddite also provides the hulls for Kent ammunition among others. I've loaded Cheddite hulls without a problem.

Alliant has recipes for 12 gauge Cheddite hulls on its data site.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx?gauge=12&gtypeid=3
 
Claybuster said:
Cheddite also provides the hulls for Kent ammunition among others. I've loaded Cheddite hulls without a problem.

Alliant has recipes for 12 gauge Cheddite hulls on its data site.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx?gauge=12>ypeid=3
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How many reloads did you get out of them???
 
What is your planned reload, most of those style cheddite hulls i would only reload a couple times as long as the basewad does not seperate and boom goes the gun. The one piece construction of a win AA or rem Sts or gun club are one piece, Ive got a huge box of empties sitting here (12x15x20" approx) if you really want em. My rem gun club hulls i fire till it splits at the folds and starts going down the side, with target loads its been 15+ reloads or more. My 7/8oz i use 19 grains red dot, claybuster waa12L wad with cheddite primer and 7/8 lead.
 
Ultimately the goal is to duplicate the international 24g load, since those challengers are incredibly plentiful at the club even if i get only one load out of them, that's still worth it to me.
 
3 Macs, I did not say the Cheddite hull was reloaded commonly in 12ga. I said that Cheddites were common. From that I assumed that someone must have reloaded them in 12 and looks like they do.

Darryl
 
madtrapper143 said:
3 Macs, I did not say the Cheddite hull was reloaded commonly in 12ga. I said that Cheddites were common. From that I assumed that someone must have reloaded them in 12 and looks like they do.

Darryl
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Cheddites are very very common because they are used in most all european loads , are cheap and used here in a different design in most promo loads like challenger. Ones to accept the US size 209 primer
Your 16ga cheddites from BP are a different animal and not a promotional hull
They are also more difficult to get good loads with the 3/4 & 7/8 oz. shot weights since there is too much room in the hull. Tapered wall hulls are more efficient with reduced loads

For me it doesn't matter who makes them if they are 12 ga 2 3/4" and are a 3 piece hull with a seperate base wad why put your gun and hands etc at risk when you can pick up so many one piece 12ga compression formed for pennies

I have seen the results at least three times in like 50 years shooting of what can happen reloading three piece hulls and it is not pretty normally if shooting a pump or semi. Rare to happen sure but it can
Those to me that reload them in 12ga 2 3/4 have never witnessed such an event since if they did they would be using compression formed where ever possible especially 12ga 2 3/4
It is one thing when you are forced to use this style hull in hunting loads since there is no other but for trap loads just because they are there and free. To each their own
For me I want to focus on the target not the fact am I going to lose a hand or finger with my next shot when I can 100% eliminate the risk with compression formed

This was posted on a reloading form some time ago and I agree with him 100% and have also seen the base movement as he shows and these are his words
How many guys have checked the base position here prior to reloading cheddite. BET NONE

WON'T consider loading most of the cheap RIO, KEMEN, WOLF, and other cheap Cheddite style promotional hulls. I have seen some suspicious base wad migrations in once-fired hulls upon a close inspection. Had one batch where about one in ten had a base wad at least 1/4 inch up into the hull. One was almost completely out through the hull mouth. I'm not shooting any more of them, even the FIRST time, either. I'd rather use the one piece Remington cheapies or even the Winchesters.

 
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3 macs you are indeed the guru. I had no idea 16 ga Cheddites were a different animal then the 12 ga. Cheddites. (other than ga.) In any event I don't bother with the rather common and mundane 12 bore anyways. So I will be safe with my 16 bore. Question, can a paper base wad (like Federal purple hull 16) migrate forward like the one you illustrated?

Darryl
 
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Thank you very much for the info on this. I will be avoiding these completely for reloading from now on.

Do follow up on Darryl's question above, based on the information you're providing should one just avoid reloading multi-piece hulls all together? Basically stick to Federal Gold Medal, AA and Remington?

And a second question. To replicate the international 24g load, what would you recommend?
 
iduncant said:
Thank you very much for the info on this. I will be avoiding these completely for reloading from now on.

Do follow up on Darryl's question above, based on the information you're providing should one just avoid reloading multi-piece hulls all together? Basically stick to Federal Gold Medal, AA and Remington?

And a second question. To replicate the international 24g load, what would you recommend?
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Hi
IMO for reloading for the shooting sports in 12 ga 2 3/4 especially the lighter loads like 7/8 yes I would stick to the proven hulls like remington sts, nitro27, gun club and the old win AA. Many guys like the GM also but I have no experience with them in 7/8
I will look in some of my books for international loads
What do you have for powder and primers and wads??
 
I've never loaded this before, so I'm starting from scratch. I've got Remington Gun Club and AA Hulls to work with. However i haven't yet picked my powder, primer or wads. So I'm only restricted by what the suppliers still have in stock.

My thought was CCI 209, or Winchester 209, WAA12L (The claybuster knockoff) and Hodgdon International. But your suggestions would be more than welcome.
 
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