Reloading Course from P&D Enterprises NOT RECOMMENDED!

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My friends son came over yesterday to use my reloading equipment, he had taken the reloading course offered by P&D Enterprises. I was qwuite supprised at what he didn't know about reloading. He was loading for his 7 Rem Mag and brought with him 4895 powder. The guy who was teaching the course said that would be a good powder to start with. I have been reloading for 20 years and know that powder is too fast and probably dangerous in that caliber. I spent most of saturday re-educating him on reloading procedures. I told him to ask for his money back. I don't know if that is the only instructor they use, but they should get rid of him. :mad:
 
Not to be a **it disturber but why would you post something like this without first insuring your facts are straight?

Did you call the guy to confirm your friend had his facts straight? If so, then ask him to justify himself, and challenge his ideas.

At first glance this seems a bit odd. ( And for your second post, not a great way to begin life on a forum)
 
With 20 years of reloading experience you do have more time at it than myself but my Lee reloading book tells me that IMR 4895 is an acceptable powder. I've never reloaded for that caliber so I can't comment on whether it's a good choice or not......just letting you know that it's in the Lee Modern Reloading book under 150 gr and 175 gr jacketed bullets.
 
In my short experience of reloading I've come to understand that every gun/powder/bullet combination is completely variable. From what I've seen so far there really are few hard and fast rules, just basically guidelines.
One of the weirdest things I've seen is a friend who spent the time crunching numbers until he successfully loaded .308 for his M14 using 200 grain, cast lead bullets and Red Dot powder! To boot, he created a subsonic load so it would be quiet enough to shoot gophers with! LOL
The wildest part is that it was fairly accurate.
Whether or not 4895 is the best powder for 7mm is open to debate, but I'd wager it would work if you spent enough time trying. Are there better ones to use? This guys' 20 yrs experience says definitely, and he's probably right, but it's worth trying something different even just to see what will happen (within reason).
 
proonur said:
One of the weirdest things I've seen is a friend who spent the time crunching numbers until he successfully loaded .308 for his M14 using 200 grain, cast lead bullets and Red Dot powder! To boot, he created a subsonic load so it would be quiet enough to shoot gophers with! LOL
The wildest part is that it was fairly accurate.
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man.... anyway you could p.m. me the particulars on those loads?? especially that gopher round hehehehe pleeeeez :D
 
Not wanting to comment on the course itself, I think it has been demonstrated on the value of have 1-3 reloading manuals in these situations.

Take Care
Trevor
 
If you would teach him for free & let him use your equipment, why did he even bother going to a third party for help? He should of just paid you for your time.
 
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4895 is a very poor choice for reloading the 7mm remmag,it may work,but velocities will be far below those of loads with more suitable powders such as R-22.
The one question I have is that when your friends son told the instructor he had a 7mm,did he specifically say that it was a 7mmremmag?Or could he have been confused and said another 7mm,like the 7mm-08?I have been at many gunstores over the years,and have seen some pretty confused people.
 
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First off it is calibre not caliber - unless you are an American - and the 7mm Rem Mag is a cartridge not a calibre.

What 4895 are you talking about? Hodgdon or IMR? You do know there is a difference don't you? Plenty of light bullet data for the 7Mm Rem Mag using IMR 4895.

BTW, Great 2nd post on the forum; slagging one of the better dealers here just because the instructor recommended a powder you don't agree with.
 
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one shot one kill said:
My friends son came over yesterday to use my reloading equipment, he had taken the reloading course offered by P&D Enterprises. I was qwuite supprised at what he didn't know about reloading. He was loading for his 7 Rem Mag and brought with him 4895 powder. The guy who was teaching the course said that would be a good powder to start with. I have been reloading for 20 years and know that powder is too fast and probably dangerous in that caliber. I spent most of saturday re-educating him on reloading procedures. I told him to ask for his money back. I don't know if that is the only instructor they use, but they should get rid of him. :mad:
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What is your source for knowing that 4895 is too fast for 7mm rem mag? I'd like to determine why you think that is dangerous?
 
I guess I'll chime in too. This post is going to enter dangerous water quickly and it should. I would make sure all of my facts were based on my own experience and not that of a buddy. Lots of my friends make statements based on their comprehension, it' not "Always" accurate and I am not gonna put a bad vibe out on a public forum on their behalf. An instruction course is usually based on people showin technique and equipment. Specific recipies are for the advanced stages of any course not the beginner section. P&D are a more than shining example of a reputable dealer so most guys here are gonna back them based on their own experiences.
 
Hodgedon website says its OK with light bullets

Cartridge: 7mm Remington Magnum
Load Type: Rifle
Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

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100 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 4895 .284" 3.150" 57.0 3288 49,200 PSI 61.2 3538 59,400 PSI
110 GR. SPR HP IMR IMR 4895 .284" 3.250" 56.0 3210 52,600 PSI 59.9 3350 58,800 PSI
120 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4895 .284" 3.230" 54.0 3049 52,200 PSI 57.9 3189 58,700 PSI
 
Hodgedon website says its OK with light bullets
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And even with light bullets it still produces significantly less velocity than powders such as R-19 and 22,IMR 4350,4831,H4350,etc.

The only reason for even considering 4895 in a 7mmremmag would be for reduced recoil.But since we weren't there,the kid may have asked for a low recoil load.
 
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Lots of talking here but I think a chime in from Phil from P&D would be well timed.

Without a doubt, P&D is the best gun shop in Alberta and any problems rising out of a P&D service would be remedied asap.
 
considering the original poster has exactly a post count of ONE..... how can we really take this seriously ?

so the kid took a ?ONE? day course which was probably an introduction to reloading, he shows up with a powder that all of the reloading books I have (8 of them) show is acceptable for the caliber he is loading and you fly off the handle.

one day, and you have "20 years" an you expect him to know everything you do...

sigh....
 
Mumptia said:
Lots of talking here but I think a chime in from Phil from P&D would be well timed.

Without a doubt, P&D is the best gun shop in Alberta and any problems rising out of a P&D service would be remedied asap.
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I wouldn't hesitate to replace "Alberta" with "Western Canada"....
 
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