Reloading Equipment Shortage
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blacksmithden
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I been waiting a few weeks for some Sierra bullets from one of the very few places around here that sells them. He tells me I have to keep waiting, yet I called his supplier and he says he has tons.of course the supplier will only sell to dealers not to individuals.
In that case, it's time to let the supplier know that he's got orders, but he's not selling the product and it's time for them to appoint a new dealer in his place. If we tried that crap in the material handling/forklift industry, they'd pull our dealership so quick it would make your head spin.
Bs
I've posted this here before, and things may have changed since this article, but it was WELL after the election. ATK (federall/CCI/Speer) laid off employees in January and again in March. At that time they were completely caught up in orders and had reduced their output.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock News/2115990/
Jan 09, 2009-- For the second time in eight weeks, Alliant Techsystems is laying off workers at its Federal Cartridge ammunition plant in Anoka because of the end of an orders backlog, officials announced Thursday.
I've posted this here before, and things may have changed since this article, but it was WELL after the election. ATK (federall/CCI/Speer) laid off employees in January and again in March. At that time they were completely caught up in orders and had reduced their output.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock News/2115990/
Jan 09, 2009-- For the second time in eight weeks, Alliant Techsystems is laying off workers at its Federal Cartridge ammunition plant in Anoka because of the end of an orders backlog, officials announced Thursday.
blacksmithden
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Well blargon, with that article, I can only draw the conclusion that someone is pulling strings from higher up. There's definately some kind of conspiracy to limit the availability of ammo.
I'm not one for tinfoil, BUT if you can reduce your costs, and increase your revenue by forcing the market value of your product up, its pretty much a win-win isn't it?
Companies don't lay-off employees when they are running full-out and are behind in orders...
So are you guys saying this is a contrived situation with the intent of driving up costs?
If so and its possible I would think long term it is a bad business decision. If driving up costs is the intention then likely it would eventually reduce the number of new gun owners coming into the sport. Initial investment is one of the biggest hurdles in starting any new hobby in my opinion.
No one would want to reduce the number of gun owners would they?
If so and its possible I would think long term it is a bad business decision. If driving up costs is the intention then likely it would eventually reduce the number of new gun owners coming into the sport. Initial investment is one of the biggest hurdles in starting any new hobby in my opinion.
No one would want to reduce the number of gun owners would they?
blacksmithden
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yea, you could be right. At the same time, if you can keep the price of your product lower than the competition, your product will sell more.....awe hell....I don't know what to believe anymore. The thing that rubs me the wrong way is that they're saying that the demand has gone down. From every single thing I've read since January, that's a crock of crap. I'll put it down for now, but I'm keeping my roll of tinfoil within easy reach
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What really gets me is that I have never reloaded centerfire cartridges before. I've reloaded 12 ga for decades but I only just got the fire under my backside to do pistol ammunition. I did have all of the equipment from a purchase I made over two years ago but it has all been sitting in a box since then. However, I just recently bought two different types of powder, brass and bullets BUT small pistol primers are extinct around my neck of the woods (Winnipeg Manitoba). I'd give my left nut for 100 mesely primers just so I can give this reloading thing a go. It's kind of like getting a new toy for Christmas but not having any batteries for it...
I'm bummed!
- Dan
I'm bummed!
- Dan
heavyBullet
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I emailed the store again, and his reply was "we can not get these bullets at this time" yet as I said, his supplier told me he had lots
As for contacting the supplier and stirring sh!t, I figure since there is only a couple places around that actually sell bullets and reloading supplies I don't want to start a war with them, I guess I will spend my coin somewhere else, probably out West. Just sucks, because by the time you factor in the shipping, the dam box of bullets cost around $50.
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I think more panic will only get things worse. Someone is obviously taking advantage of this. I was looking at some bullet sizing dies for sale on Ebay and couldn't bid cause some members all bearing almost identical names 'X**X' were bidding so fast, I couldn't stand a chance in hell. He/they won. Tried bidding on some other dies, samething, same pattern. This guy is probably stocking up to resell the stuff at higher price.
Obama can try all he wants to hit gun owners but as I know our neighbours, the #### is gonna hit the fan one day.
Danyboy
I think more panic will only get things worse. Someone is obviously taking advantage of this. I was looking at some bullet sizing dies for sale on Ebay and couldn't bid cause some members all bearing almost identical names 'X**X' were bidding so fast, I couldn't stand a chance in hell. He/they won. Tried bidding on some other dies, samething, same pattern. This guy is probably stocking up to resell the stuff at higher price.
Obama can try all he wants to hit gun owners but as I know our neighbours, the #### is gonna hit the fan one day.
Danyboy
Its panic buying, the ammunition plants are not the ones that control supply, the distributors and the delay between the distributors and the factories and stores are the issues.
There could be 20 million rounds of ammunition to satisfy everyone who is in the buying craze right now in the supply line, the ammunition factories figured it would be a repeat of 1994 with Clinton but with the internet, ease of communicating cross country etc, they figured right and over made ammunition for the commercial market.
They finished this large amount of ammunition then they turned down the production. Remember other then firearms, which are bigger and bulky compared to ammunition (and even reloading equipment where the companies do not generally have the ability to make more then they already do per day), it does not take much spare space to make a large over run of ammunition, and its preferred because what they make today wont hit the market for 3-6 months due to the delays as I understand it.
Reloading supplies also suffered because production of loaded ammunition would have been the goal, therefor the reloading components wouldn't have been made, instead focusing on making more components for the loaded ammunition, and only now in the middle of the panic buying are we seeing the supply ruin dry while the factories are starting back up to supply their distributors the reloading items.
At least that is my take on this, give it time and the supply will be normal again and supplies will cost just about the same as they always have.
Dimitri
There could be 20 million rounds of ammunition to satisfy everyone who is in the buying craze right now in the supply line, the ammunition factories figured it would be a repeat of 1994 with Clinton but with the internet, ease of communicating cross country etc, they figured right and over made ammunition for the commercial market.
They finished this large amount of ammunition then they turned down the production. Remember other then firearms, which are bigger and bulky compared to ammunition (and even reloading equipment where the companies do not generally have the ability to make more then they already do per day), it does not take much spare space to make a large over run of ammunition, and its preferred because what they make today wont hit the market for 3-6 months due to the delays as I understand it.
Reloading supplies also suffered because production of loaded ammunition would have been the goal, therefor the reloading components wouldn't have been made, instead focusing on making more components for the loaded ammunition, and only now in the middle of the panic buying are we seeing the supply ruin dry while the factories are starting back up to supply their distributors the reloading items.
At least that is my take on this, give it time and the supply will be normal again and supplies will cost just about the same as they always have.
Dimitri
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Dimitri
The buying spree in the USA started well before Obama was elected and ecellerated by a huge margin after he was confirmed to be the next Pres of the USA. The are a pile of places that you can't buy 22 ammo, most component bullets are all sold out and have been for months, primers ect. I heard this isn't likely to end for one heck of a long time. FS
Dimitri
The buying spree in the USA started well before Obama was elected and ecellerated by a huge margin after he was confirmed to be the next Pres of the USA. The are a pile of places that you can't buy 22 ammo, most component bullets are all sold out and have been for months, primers ect. I heard this isn't likely to end for one heck of a long time. FS
I realize that because I've been on a few American sites where people were already planning ahead and buying ammunition and guns before Obama got elected "just in case", come November the situation got worse, and has been not good since.
Dimitri
reloading supply shortage
Checked on Ebay again today for bullet mold: all bids were made on almost all bullet mold for sale by members named X****X where 'X'=any alphabel letter.
So, I suppose, people selling these items are bidding themselves on them to jack up prices. Try bidding on one of them, you can't. Bid increases are automatics. What a scam, legal but still a scam.
Danyboy
Checked on Ebay again today for bullet mold: all bids were made on almost all bullet mold for sale by members named X****X where 'X'=any alphabel letter.
So, I suppose, people selling these items are bidding themselves on them to jack up prices. Try bidding on one of them, you can't. Bid increases are automatics. What a scam, legal but still a scam.
Danyboy
