Reloading with the wrong powder. (graphic)

cdn shooter said:
Eagleye, I know from reading your posts that you know your stuff. Why do you call the accutrigger crap? Are you just to set on old things like Remington triggers...with the millions of recalls and a seven pound pull.

I like the accutrigger, I'm not preaching its the best or anything though. Have placed well in FTR matches with them and they've never accidently gone off or been recalled...yet.
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Thanks for the compliment! But for ME, all these are poor excuses for a "good" trigger

Did you hear me say I preferred the Remington trigger over any other? I certainly don't remember saying any such thing. Most of my competition Remington rifles have Jewell triggers in them.

I personally do not like the little shoe in any of those types of trigger. I also do not like the fact that they force one to reset the trigger if the shoe is not in the correct [firing] position when the trigger is pulled.

I have one Savage [rebarrelled] with the Accutrigger in it....guess what? It no longer has the little center lever in it. I much prefer it without, and consider those triggers "gimmicky" at best.

That being said, I do have about 18 - 700 Remingtons with the original Triggers in them, and have never had one go off accidentally, nor have I sent any back on any recall. Just keep them clean and properly adjusted
and always practice safety regarding the muzzle of ANY rifle.

If you want my personal opinion, it was hard to beat the original M70 Winchester trigger for functionality and simplicity on a factory rifle.

But if you like the Accutrigger.....fill your boots! One mans poison is another's tonic, I guess. :)

Regards, Dave.
 
I always leave the bottle of powder that is in my thrower sitting on the bench behind my thrower. That way whether it is three days or three months between reloading sessions I know what is in my powder thrower... That said, the only pistol powder I use is Universal, and it is so very obviously not Varget or 3031 or RL7... Never say never I guess...but this guy obviously had no clue
 
I agree with the one powder on the bench at a time principal. Just one of the many lessons passed on by my father and grandfather. You know what though, at one point I thought "I'm not stupid enough to put the wrong powder in wrong jug" and started straying from what I was tought...then I proved I was that dumb by doing just that! Now I'm back following the wise old guys...what do you know they were right.

Eagleye, i just poke fun cause I know you have a ton of M700s. And no one would argue with the Jewel vs accutrigger debate. And your spot on about muzzle control, another lesson drilled in from adolesence by the old guys in my life. I was at a local rifle shoot a week ago when my reworked browning trigger failed to fire. I kept the rifle pointed into the berm and went to extract to round to inspect. As soon as I touched the bolt, it fired. Scared the sh!t out of me! That reminds me, I need to get a hold of that smith.
 
09outlander said:
I'm sorry, but if you can't tell the difference between Titegroup and Varget you're a moron.
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Sorry as well, but I have to agree. Its carelessness which is the issue here. If they are that similar to you put your own label on, put them in a cabinet on opposite sides, label the sides rifle powder and pistol powder. Really this is why they say to organize and keep your area clean, double check everything. Did he just pick up the jug and not read a damn thing. I looked at the picture for 2 secs and noticed one said Varget and rifle powder underneath.... Seriously they are not that similar and he was not careful at all. Its great that he won't be to badly hurt and will recover, but jesus get your stuff together and be more attentive
 
One powder on the bench.
Never leave powder in the thrower when done loading for that session.

Claiming these bottles are similar is admitting to not paying attention. The bottle shape and label positions are similar. Almost everything important that those labels say is different. Starting with the powder name...
 
cdn shooter said:
I agree with the one powder on the bench at a time principal. Just one of the many lessons passed on by my father and grandfather. You know what though, at one point I thought "I'm not stupid enough to put the wrong powder in wrong jug" and started straying from what I was tought...then I proved I was that dumb by doing just that! Now I'm back following the wise old guys...what do you know they were right.

Eagleye, i just poke fun cause I know you have a ton of M700s. And no one would argue with the Jewel vs accutrigger debate. And your spot on about muzzle control, another lesson drilled in from adolesence by the old guys in my life. I was at a local rifle shoot a week ago when my reworked browning trigger failed to fire. I kept the rifle pointed into the berm and went to extract to round to inspect. As soon as I touched the bolt, it fired. Scared the sh!t out of me! That reminds me, I need to get a hold of that smith.
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Yes, when it comes to firearms, one can never be too careful. The powder thing reminds me about a mixup a friend made. He dumped ½ lb of H870 into a partial tin of H5010.
[H5010 is a very coarse grained extruded, H870 a spherical]

I needed some H5010, and asked him if he had any....he said sure, and gave me the mostly full tin of "H5010"

When I poured some into my measure, I saw the mix immediately, but didn't know which powder was mixed into the 5010. Inquiries revealed what had happened.

Fortunately, the difference in structure of the powder allowed us to separate the two with a proper meshed sieve.

Those two powders are very similar in burning rate, so possibly not too serious, but who knows? Mixing powders is never a great idea, IMHO.

Regards, Dave.
 
Everyone believes they are the safest person in the world with firearms. Everyone says they will never have an accident.
If everyone is so safe, why do accidents happen?

Accidents can happen to absolutely anyone. No one is immune. Vigilance and diligence will help prevent accidents but nothing can stop them all, even with highly experienced reloaders/shooters.
Anyone who says their methods/techniques/systems are infallible and they will never make a mistake is wrong. If you're human, you can make a mistake, all you can do is try your hardest not to.
 
LUTNIT said:
Everyone believes they are the safest person in the world with firearms. Everyone says they will never have an accident.
If everyone is so safe, why do accidents happen?

Accidents can happen to absolutely anyone. No one is immune. Vigilance and diligence will help prevent accidents but nothing can stop them all, even with highly experienced reloaders/shooters.
Anyone who says their methods/techniques/systems are infallible and they will never make a mistake is wrong. If you're human, you can make a mistake, all you can do is try your hardest not to.
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This is the truth! I am actually surprised we don't see more of these accidents. Knock on wood...lol.
 
crazy_davey said:
Yup, no major loss there! LOL

Best factory trigger out there??? Hahahaha, that's a good laugh, thanks!
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Sounds like you have the "I'm tired finishing behind the savage blues". Don't worry, happens to lots of guys.:p

Seriously though, not being able to tell the difference between flake and extruded probably means you either don't reload, or you are missing a few digits!
 
There are records of this being done with RPA actions. The bolt would not open, unscrewed the barrel back for another proof and good to go the next day. The action does matter.
 
I take out the bottle, look at the logo, read the label, speak the label, and confirm what I have read. I'll leave powder in a measure over a week or so, if I'm loading on and off, but there's only one powder out and the canister is next to the measure.

Goes the same if I am doing load development and using 2 or 3 different powders. 1 out at a time, confirm powder, confirm data - I'll write down on a sheet of paper each load increment that I wish to load with each powder, just to make certain that I don't go back and mis-read the data.

I have no radio, no TV, no phone, no tablet, no tumbler or any other distracting noise makers around when I'm doing my loading, especially with the progressive press where I need to listen to every sound, feel every nuance of the action, and be in a state of situational awareness to make certain that it is always running right.
Though Not Running Right just means I'm using my squib rod to hammer duds from the barrel, rather than blowing myself up.

Yes, being anal is a good way to keep it healthy n fun.
 
Like I said earlier in this thread, some people should not get into reloading as they don't have the aptitude for it. This does not make them bad people, just people that that are not suited to reload safely.
If you grenade your rifle or pistol, it is not only yourself that will be hurt, but potentially others as well.
As others have stated, no one is perfect, but if you are generally a careful, methodical person in how you run your life, you are less likely to screw up and hurt yourself or others
 
I only reload 12 gauge, and only have one keg of 452AA powder. What is the actual difference between rifle, pistol, and shotgun powder? I assume its the burn rate of the power? The faster it burns the more pressure it creates?
 
Pure Energy said:
I only reload 12 gauge, and only have one keg of 452AA powder. What is the actual difference between rifle, pistol, and shotgun powder? I assume its the burn rate of the power? The faster it burns the more pressure it creates?
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Correct. Rifle powder burns slower compared to pistol/shotgun powder. A faster burn rate means more instantaneous chamber pressure.
 
Eagleye said:
Yes, when it comes to firearms, one can never be too careful. The powder thing reminds me about a mixup a friend made. He dumped ½ lb of H870 into a partial tin of H5010.
[H5010 is a very coarse grained extruded, H870 a spherical]

I needed some H5010, and asked him if he had any....he said sure, and gave me the mostly full tin of "H5010"

When I poured some into my measure, I saw the mix immediately, but didn't know which powder was mixed into the 5010. Inquiries revealed what had happened.

Fortunately, the difference in structure of the powder allowed us to separate the two with a proper meshed sieve.

Those two powders are very similar in burning rate, so possibly not too serious, but who knows? Mixing powders is never a great idea, IMHO.

Regards, Dave.
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I hope you discarded that powder sounds like you want to use it! Please don't.
 
I remember taking my RPAL course. We had some great instructors, who knew their stuff, pushed the safety issue and overall made the course extremely fun. I remember, they stressed and pushed, and made sure we knew this rule. Never buy an open container of powder. Never buy someones opened boxes of ammunition and never use someone else hand loads. At the time, I remember thinking, well if my buddy wants to sell me cheap re loads, heck i'll buy it. It's cheap!! Seeing images and stories like this , Dammit I know why they stressed that issue so much! Makes perfect sense to me now! Glad ive never bought any unknown powder and rounds!
 
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