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I've been stuck on this for a couple of days now!

Here's the last test I did.

1. I deprime and resize in station one of my 650 with a Dillon die.

2. Check the case by itself and it fits perfectly in the barrel of my glock...slides in and out by itself like some factory ammo I'm comparing with.

3. I skip the bell and simply hold the bullet in place as I bring it up against my seating die and place the bullet in with no crimp.

4. insert the cartridge in the barrel and it gets stuck when its inserted all the way. I have to use my fingernails and pry it out.

I thought there could be a crimping issue but I'm not even crimping. I know the cases fit perfectly after resizing. they only get stuck after I've inserted a bullet.

Could it be that my bullets have too large of a diameter and are distorting the case when inserted and as a result the cartridge is getting stuck in the barrel?
 
Are you using cast bullets? If you are, they may need to be sized, and you will have to bell and crimp, in my opinion. Also, check your overall length. You might need to seat the bullets a little deeper, as they may be engaging with the rifling when they're chambered. This would make them hard to pull out depending on how much too long they are.
 
mwjones said:
Are you using cast bullets? If you are, they may need to be sized, and you will have to bell and crimp, in my opinion. Also, check your overall length. You might need to seat the bullets a little deeper, as they may be engaging with the rifling when they're chambered. This would make them hard to pull out depending on how much too long they are.
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The bullets are 147 copper plated RN.

My OAL is according to a few books out there. I tried seating a little deeper and it made no difference. One thing I noticed is once the bullet is inserted I can see a little bowing from the bullet. I can actually see the bottom of the bullet in the case from a little ridge line in the case.
 
nwills said:
The bullets are 147 copper plated RN.

My OAL is according to a few books out there. I tried seating a little deeper and it made no difference. One thing I noticed is once the bullet is inserted I can see a little bowing from the bullet. I can actually see the bottom of the bullet in the case from a little ridge line in the case.
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If they are Aim's, they are a tad oversize, I can't get them to work in my firearm, with it's tight chamber, your firearm may be the same!
 
nwills said:
The bullets are 147 copper plated RN.

My OAL is according to a few books out there. I tried seating a little deeper and it made no difference. One thing I noticed is once the bullet is inserted I can see a little bowing from the bullet. I can actually see the bottom of the bullet in the case from a little ridge line in the case.
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This is normal.

Have you mic'd the bullets to see what they are sized at? I have seen alot of plated bullets slightly oversized when plating is too thick.

What kind of gun? Some have tighter chambers then others.

Dropping free is not as important as the cartridge seating all the way. If the cartridge seats flush and it doesn't take a whole lot of force to remove I would just go shooting. Could just be a rough chamber.

That said I am a big fan of the lee factory crimp dies. For a 9mm it will put a taper crimp that also sizes the cartridge to ensure perfect feeding. I use it for all my 9mm, and .45 acp reloads and it works very well.
 
nwills said:
The bullets are 147 copper plated RN.

My OAL is according to a few books out there. I tried seating a little deeper and it made no difference. One thing I noticed is once the bullet is inserted I can see a little bowing from the bullet. I can actually see the bottom of the bullet in the case from a little ridge line in the case.
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Fist of all... Not all chambers are the same.. Every company has slight differences.. For example.. my Tanfoglio chambers have a very long neck (if that is what you call it) where as other 9 mms have standard necks. Therefore you should take out your barrel and after you push in the bullet check it in the barrel... You should be able to feel the cartridge headspace on the rim of the case and you should be able to rotate the bullet in the chamber. if you cant.. you need to seat your bullets further back in the case.

Also you may have a tight chamber and your bullets may be slightly out of spec.. I had that happen to me with AIM 147 grain bullets and my Tanfoglio Match 9 MM. I could not get those bullets to chamber because the size was .3565 to 357.. Check your bullets they may be the problem.

One thing reloading 9mm is that they all look like little Coke bottles after you are done.. Not sure why but they do shoot well in my gun...

I was reading your post about not belling you cases and therefor you dont use a crimp die. Why not. I assume the 650 is much like the 550 in how it delivers the powder.. Therefore even tho you think there is no bell there may be some.. just enough to screw with your chambering. What i would do is adjust the Bell at the powder measure which allows you to easily seat the bullet. Then use the Crimp die to put the case rim back to spec... not too tight but back to where it should be.. You can test this using the barrel and chambering the round as described above..

RDG
 
7.62mm said:
I tried everything to get them to work.......no one believed me. I took all naysayers loaded ammo, with the Aims......not one would chamber.

I have never had problems with any of the other manufactures bullets!
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Good to know! I live close enough to hamilton to deal with AIM regularly and they are cheap especially without shipping costs. I have only been shooting the 124 grain stuff though, and I guess I will stick to it. LOL
 
7.62mm said:
I tried everything to get them to work.......no one believed me. I took all naysayers loaded ammo, with the Aims......not one would chamber.

I have never had problems with any of the other manufactures bullets!
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I had the same problems with 124 and 147s in my Tanfoglio Match 9mm.. Likely the problem here..

RDG
 
Everybody should have a Case Gage or a Max Gage to allow you to check your ammunition to ensure it will fit a minimum sized chamber.

<http://www.lewilson.com/pistolmaxgage.html>

<http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/25548/catid/3/Dillon_Handgun_Case_Gages>

A stitch in time saves nine.
 
7.62mm said:
If they are Aim's, they are a tad oversize, I can't get them to work in my firearm, with it's tight chamber, your firearm may be the same!
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lol...! They are AIM 147 !!

I'm using a Glock 17.

I got them at an OAL of 1.150 and gave them a good taper crimp with my RCBS die that seats and crimps. I cycled dummy rounds through my Glock and they all worked well. I noticed some slight markings/scratches on the copper of the bullets...not sure what's causing that?

There is still a little ridge/bowing line at the bottom of the bullet on the case.

I checked the mouth of the case and it sits at 0.377 (same as my factory Sellier and Bellot 9mm ammo) the other end is sitting at 0.386 (Sellier and Bellot sits at 0.388).

I think I'm pretty close. I've been told to use 3.5 of 231.

The only concern I have now is the slight ridge on the case at the bottom of the bullet. Otherwise I think I may be good to get a few rounds together and take them to the range.

When I went to AIM in Hamilton, I originally wanted 124 but they didn't have anymore so they sold me a box of 147 for the same price. Next time I'll go with 124 or maybe try BDX.
 
nwills said:
lol...! They are AIM 147 !!

I'm using a Glock 17.

I got them at an OAL of 1.150 and gave them a good taper crimp with my RCBS die that seats and crimps. I cycled dummy rounds through my Glock and they all worked well. I noticed some slight markings/scratches on the copper of the bullets...not sure what's causing that?

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that could be the barrel thats making the marks,, if your case's are sliding in and out no problem, but your loaded bullets are hitting the barrel, then you bullet could be out to far, my OAL is 1.143 wich is what i use in my G17 with aim 124g bullet.

hope that helps ya..
 
Wendell said:
Everybody should have a Case Gage or a Max Gage to allow you to check your ammunition to ensure it will fit a minimum sized chamber.

<http://www.lewilson.com/pistolmaxgage.html>

<http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/25548/catid/3/Dillon_Handgun_Case_Gages>

A stitch in time saves nine.
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Or.......just take the barrel out of the gun and use that as a case gauge!
 
Wendell said:
Everybody should have a Case Gage or a Max Gage to allow you to check your ammunition to ensure it will fit a minimum sized chamber.
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Unfortuntely, this won't determine the issue with bullets that have different ogives.

I've seen this issue with AIM bullets a few times now; because of a different bullet shape, you have to custom fit the OAL length (Keeping the ogive from engaging the rifling) to match your gun. I've seen it on 40s and 9s, and you need to check each box you open. Dont expect it to be the same box to box.

7.62mm said:
Or.......just take the barrel out of the gun and use that as a case gauge!
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In the OP's case, this is the best solution.
 
At this point I've decided to go with 124 BDX bullets. The diameter of the AIM bullets fluctuates too much and is larger than it should be.

I guess I'll set this box aside and try the BDX and see if I have better result.
 
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+1 to Seans comments re ogive and Aim Bullets

I have some 124 g Aim bullets loaded for my G17 OAL 1.150" that will not chamber in my CZ SP01

Loaded cartridges fit fine in a dillon case gauge.

Hornady 124 g fmj again loaded to 1.150" chamber fine in both guns...
 
nwills, you might also look at the CamPro and Berry's plated bullets. I'm using the CamPros now, but I have the Berry's standing by as soon as the brass is empty again.
 
Problem solved.

The AIM bullets weren't entirely to blame....I had a lot of Glock bulged brass....and my crimping was wrong...

The combination of the BDX bullets, selecting brass that has no bulge and better crimping made some perfect rounds...they slide in and out of the Glock just like factory ammo!
 
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