Rem 700 adl (1970's) in 30-06 converting to a 458 win mag

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My hunting rifle needs a new barrel but instead of redoing it in 3006 I am just gonna buy a new 30-06. So my question is converting to 458 win mag I'll need a new bolt new barrel and that should be all beside tweaking to get it to feed. It is an Internal box mag so shouldn't be to bad. Kinda uncharted territory for me as I have changed barrels using the same caliber and or case head before. Cause if ill need more parts I'll just go ahead and buy a savage 116 in 300 wm we have at work(for cost) :) and change the barrel out.


Thank you.

Ken
 
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It would be easier to try to swap your ADL for a similar condition and vintage magnum bolt face ADL on the EE unless it has sentimental value. It's possible you won't get any bites but it costs nothing to try.
 
Your ADL stock won't likely take it and no need to change bolts just open it up and get a Sako extractor installed. But I'd be much more inclined to sell the 06 and buy a Magnum action in a much better stock. It could be a nightmare to rework the rails to get 458 to feed starting with an 06 action. It is doable but not easy if you've never done one before and even if you have, it's easy to screw it up and f**k the action........JMHE
 
c-fbmi said:
Your ADL stock won't likely take it and no need to change bolts just open it up and get a Sako extractor installed.
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No...no... no... don't ruin a perfect fine 700 with the partial installation of a Sako extractor system... no one installs the complete Sako system on 700's.

Originally the conversion was done to accommodate the PPC case on a 700 action... Why only part of the Sako extractor system was used I don't know. Perhaps the idea that the Sako "bolt guide" was actually a safety device escaped those who pioneered the conversion, or the fact that catastrophic case failures are rather rare.

The problem I have today with those conversions is very few of the owners know what they are getting into... perhaps many of those doing the conversion don't realize it either. I simply wish if you are thinking about having the conversion done you have the facts before hand.

The design of the Model 700 action is superior to any other mass-produced 2 lug bolt action ever made , and that by installing only part of the extractor system from a Sako (2 locking lug action) completely compromises that design. The alteration does not make it happen. But the alteration is completely unsafe when it happens. We are talking about a catastrophic case failure. They do not occur on a regular basis. (In the US there have been serious injuries and at least one death associated with this conversion).

A Sako extractor is safe in a two lug Sako so why shouldn't it be safe in a two lug Remington? ... Because when people install the Sako extractor in a Remington they do not install the Sako bolt guide, which is the safety design incorporated in the Sako. That bolt guide is there to protect the shooter and anyone close to the shooter if a case fails drastically. I do not understand why anyone would knowingly install only part of the Sako system. If the Sako extractor and the Sako bolt guide were installed then the Remington would be as safe as a Sako. Not as strong and safe as the Remington was before alteration but safe.

Here is a picture of how well the Sako "bolt guide" deflected/prevented debris from exiting down the bolt raceway...

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guntech said:
No...no... no... don't ruin a perfect fine 700 with the partial installation of a Sako extractor system... no one installs the complete Sako system on 700's.

Originally the conversion was done to accommodate the PPC case on a 700 action... Why only part of the Sako extractor system was used I don't know. Perhaps the idea that the Sako "bolt guide" was actually a safety device escaped those who pioneered the conversion, or the fact that catastrophic case failures are rather rare.

The problem I have today with those conversions is very few of the owners know what they are getting into... perhaps many of those doing the conversion don't realize it either. I simply wish if you are thinking about having the conversion done you have the facts before hand.

The design of the Model 700 action is superior to any other mass-produced 2 lug bolt action ever made , and that by installing only part of the extractor system from a Sako (2 locking lug action) completely compromises that design. The alteration does not make it happen. But the alteration is completely unsafe when it happens. We are talking about a catastrophic case failure. They do not occur on a regular basis. (In the US there have been serious injuries and at least one death associated with this conversion).

A Sako extractor is safe in a two lug Sako so why shouldn't it be safe in a two lug Remington? ... Because when people install the Sako extractor in a Remington they do not install the Sako bolt guide, which is the safety design incorporated in the Sako. That bolt guide is there to protect the shooter and anyone close to the shooter if a case fails drastically. I do not understand why anyone would knowingly install only part of the Sako system. If the Sako extractor and the Sako bolt guide were installed then the Remington would be as safe as a Sako. Not as strong and safe as the Remington was before alteration but safe.

Here is a picture of how well the Sako "bolt guide" deflected/prevented debris from exiting down the bolt raceway...

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Did not know that Dennis, so what you're saying is that in the case of a catastrophic failure the Sako extractor install in a 700 lines up with the lug raceway and then directs the pieces of the extractor down that raceway into the shooters face? I can see how that may be a problem !!! I will now store that info for future reference.........unless I forget it, as is happening more and more these days !!!
 
Good thing you changed your mind. .458 Win is pricey stuff with serious felt recoil. You'd have had to modify a perfectly good rifle to shoot a belted magnum too. And Rem M700 Magnums aren't the same as a standard rifle.
 
That's why I want a 458. Cost don't matter I cast all my own shells and buy In bulk all the time everything else. And I want the massive recoil. Yeah I been hit this the case of recoil junky the last little while. But I'll just pick up the zastava as it is cheaper on that part and little safer. But it won't take the idea of building one out of my mind from a 700 or a savage action eventually.
 
I just picked up a Zastava .458 Win Mag yesterday off of a CGN'er. Now the hunt begins for components. Wholesale has loaded ammo only....for 149 bucks a box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not gonna happen. The search begins...
 
i had a Interarms Mark X, which is one of the brands that relabeld Zastava's... in 375 H & H. Bought another 375 so i sold it, not because it wasn't a good gun. IMO, they are a good gun, good commercial M98 action, mine handled the recoil well, not a light rifle..which is good in a heavy recoil rifle.

I think you will be happy with yours. A much more elegant solution. You can make a simple barrel replacement with your 700. Maybe even selling it as is will partly offset the cost of the new rifle.

I liked my Zastava. Actual mileage may vary.
 
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