rem 700 not grabbing second shell

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as the title states, my rem 700 sendero will cycle the first shell fine, but then when you eject it and try to load the second, the bolt rides up over the shell.
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i'm thinking my mag spring is weak?
the mag box seems to be seated properly.
the bottom of the bolt ring isn't rounded or anything.
if any more pics are needed let me know.
thanks
hutchster
 
yes they are reloads
they are measured to the specs as per my nosler manual
7mm saum max overall 2.825"
the tester shells used in the photos are empty unprimed shells with nosler bt's loaded to same length as my shooters.
the reason i suspect the mag spring, is this started around the time i installed a mag x-tender from brownells, but then i took it off because i wasn't fond of the extension as it was uncomfortable to carry it when hunting.
since then it happens on occasion, but it do it once with the extender installed.
 
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I think it is a fairly common problem with short mags and similar cases. (rebated rims)...

In this particular case it looks like the shell is canted down at the back a lot... more than normal. Try spreading the magazine box as wide as it will go and still fit the action.
 
is it possible to get a shell support that continues all the way to the back of the plate
this is my existing plate
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also i noticed that the curve of the support area isn't cut to fit my brass exactly, as the shell is unsupported in the radius of the curve and only makes contact at the top and bottom. is this normal?
thanks
hutchster
 
Is this a factory rifle all the way or has it been built into what it is after it left the factory?

If it is factory I would suggest getting Remington to fix or replace it.
 
i bought it used from a guy from glenboro, mb, who had stocked it in a palma stock that had no floor plate, but he cut the old bottom metal to fit in the blind mag as support.
when i sold the stock, and put on a factory h-s vsf stock, i picked up a bottom metal assembly from my local shop and had it installed with the original spring and follower.
i don't recall ever having this issue with the palma stock on it, its seems to have started after i put the brand new vsf stock on it.
but it happened very rarely before i installed the extender on it, then after i put the floor plate back on, its seems to do it more often now.
btw i searched the remington website and came across part numbers for the mag follower, spring, and box and there are ones labelled specifically for the SAUM, but they don't show pics so i'm not sure if that follower will be longer than this one?
 
You may have to spread the magazine and inlet the stock for the greater width...

Spread the magazine and try it out of the stock and see if the shell will sit level at the top...
 
i pulled the stock and judging by the lack of gap between the two ends of the box, the box is the same width with the stock off.
basically the box can't open any further than it is due to it being recessed into the action.
but i did notice that the front top of the box has been grinded down, so perhaps the box is from a different caliber or it wasn't feeding right and the previous owner tried to smooth it out a bit?
guntech, have you ever seen a remington follower that went all the way back to the rear of the mag-box?
 
I haven't had any experience with the short mags...
I would suggest trying to find a factory rifle somewhere that you can compare your parts with... it could be as simple as a different follower...

I know you can order the correct parts from Western Gun Parts in Edmonton.
 
i'm gonna head down to jo-brooks tomorrow(my local shop) and see what they have on the shelf to check.
i'll also give western a call
thanks for the help
hutchster
 
guido said:
Your spring is in backwards.
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huh?
it only seems to go in one way.
i just pulled the spring out of the hinge plate, just to be sure, and it can only go together one way
the bottom of the spring is too short and slides around when it is pushed into the follower.
and the top of the spring is too long to fit in the hinge plate, as it doesn't slip down into the recess in the plate.
 
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well i took the rifle to my local gunshop and we swapped out the spring and follower from a rem700 in 300wsm, and it does the same thing.
basically it will function flawlessly with the first shell in the mag, so for now i'll just keep 2 in the gun, instead of 3.
as a side note, does anyone have any experience with Rem SUAM's and feeding in v-bull aics mag's?
 
hutchster said:
well i took the rifle to my local gunshop and we swapped out the spring and follower from a rem700 in 300wsm, and it does the same thing.
basically it will function flawlessly with the first shell in the mag, so for now i'll just keep 2 in the gun, instead of 3.
as a side note, does anyone have any experience with Rem SUAM's and feeding in v-bull aics mag's?
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Did you test the gunshops rifle first to see if it worked?

What about the bottom of the action? Is it machined the same as the gunshops? Would the magazine box from the gunshop fit into your action?

I still think it is a width problem with the magazine box.
 
we didn't go that far, perhaps we should have:redface:
rob, the shop owner, took a look at the magbox and he did comment that it wasn't quite seated properly and after he adjusted it, the box had some slack up and down, but side to side its still at max due to the action opening.
but the shell still sags to the back:(
as it sits right now, 2 shells in the gun isn't a problem with me, its just one less chance of a flier that'll ruin my nice 2 shot groupings:D
two's a couple, three's a crowd, eh!
 
hey guntech, i'm still not grasping what you mean by the magbox, so i took some close up pics and perhaps you can explain it to me.
thanks
hutchster

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as a side note, are those dimples (near the center of the box) on each side normal?
 
That hollowed out piece of sheet metal that goes houses the spring and follower is the magazine box... you can see Remington has tried to make it as wide as possible already. The "dimples being part of that...

You can only make it a bit wider by spreading the gap at the rear of the magazine... and then it will close up some when it is fitted into the action and into the trigger guard assembly... you just want it to be as wide as you can make it....

One of the reasons why I don't like short mags...
 
Excellent pictures. Obviously, the follower isn't coming up far enough in the rear. Something is holding it down.
"...installed a mag x-tender..." Anything else installed when you did this? Any cutting done? Same follower? Does the follower come all the way up with an empty mag? Does the cartridge touch the mag well sides? Does it do this with factory ammo?
 
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