Rem. 700 SPS Tactical Vs. Savage 10FCP-K (.223) Help me?

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Guys and Gals,
I’ve been shopping for weeks; I’m looking something that I can affordably shoot target with, to the furthest distance that the round will allow.

The 2 rifles listed above, in .223, have made my short list. Any personal insight, thoughts, or wisdom would be great. I’m leaning towards the Savage.
I’m banking on your help.
Thanks!
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I have the remington 700 sps tactical in 223, and the fcp-k in 308. they are both great, but the fcp-k gets the nod for a better stock. As far as accuracy, about equal. Both await a better shooter than me to reveal their full potential, but I find the under 1" groups I do get with either at 100M gratifying.

The sps tactical is much handier, with a 20" barrel. The hogue stock is a bit 'flexy', and not great on a bipod. I found it too 'grippy' (almost sticky) and treated it with armor all to reduce the stickiness (which worked). I am considering restocking to something stiffer. It shoots much better with 68 gr projectiles than the 55 gr for me. I have not tried anything really light, like 40 gr yet. It is much lighter than the fcp-k, but on the bench you don't notice.

The fcp-k is bipod ready, which is nice, and the accu-stock - accu-trigger combo is great. I like the detachable mag too, but that's just me. 165-168 gr seems to perform the best, but the difference in performance between bullet weights is not as pronounced as it is in the remington in 223. The brake is effective, but when I shoot it I am glad I am behind it, not beside it.

For pure target shooting I do prefer the 308. The brake on the fcp-k, combined with the weight of the gun, makes recoil pretty tame. When hand loading, the larger selection of bullets is great, and the larger case allows more precision in powder charges. Yes, it costs more, but for target shooting it is not that many rounds in a range trip for me and I can suck it up. There is also a much greater variety of factory ammo to play with in 308, including some truly great off the shelf match ammo. In the case of the 223, not so much ammo variety and availability of different types is spotty, at least where I live. For the 223 I have not found a truly great off the shelf round yet, but it does well with hand loads.
 
I love my SPS Tactical in .223! It shot good out of the box, but I have upgraded to an HS precision stock and installed a Jewel trigger. I have good luck with 53 grn Vmax and 70 grn VLDs, both shooting groups under 1/2" at 100 yards. They are reallly different rifles that you are comparing. The 700 is much smaller/compact, the Savage is a large rifle with a longer barrel, heavier stock, etc. Having handled both, I am happy in my choice, but either rifle is likely to be a good shooter.
 
In The Black said:
Guys and Gals,
I’ve been shopping for weeks; I’m looking something that I can affordably shoot target with, to the furthest distance that the round will allow.
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If that's the case then I wouldn't recommend either of these rifles because they don't have the twist rate your looking for. 80 grain VLD's will need a 1:8 and 90 grain VLD's will need a 1:7. Tikka and Savage (different model) offer these twist rates. Just something to think about.
 
I do own a FCP and I LOVE IT.

Smooth action, nice stock, good trigger, good cooling on the barrel, great accuracy. Looks great :)

And at a Great price.
 
In The Black said:
Thanks Matt. I'll put a tick beside the -K. Do you own one?
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He owns Savage rifles and he's obviously biased towards them and won't likely recommend anything but them.

You're not exactly making an apples to apples comparrison here. This Savage and the SPS Tac are not the same in a lot of respects. A more direct comparisson on features and comparable price could be made with the 10 FP-SR model.

If you have the opportunity ro try both before you buy that would be ideal, however, for most of us that's not a realistic option. Either brand will serve you well providing you can live with the limitations that both will have at that particular price point.

If I had to pick one or the other my personal choice would be the Remington simply because I have a lot of experience with them and I already have a variety of accessories available to upgrade the rifle if I wanted to. If I was starting from scratch it would be a toss up.
 
Yes 2bad4u as always your right. I'm just a savage fan..... Although I own 2 Remington's....


Keep your big mouth shut when commenting about my preferences. You know nothing about me or what I like and own.

I am giving a honest opinion about firearms I own, have owned and do shoot. So it is not a biased opinion. Remington actions from factory in my opinion are not as good as savage. But Remington's trigger is. I like the accutriger but prefer the Remington's.

I still say go for the savage. But please by all means disregard what I say as 2bad4u knows all about me anyway and probably everything about savage rifles and Remington also.

:)
 
Matt_dal123 said:
Yes 2bad4u as always your right.
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Matt_dal123 said:
Keep your big mouth shut when commenting about my preferences. You know nothing about me...
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Let's not get personal here. I don't care which team you play on.

Look, I simply stated a fact. You prefer Savages and the majority of your posts reflect that. You didn't give the OP a reason to select a Savage over a Remington, you just made him a "promise". Really? A promise?
 
I'm not falling into the trap of arguing with you.

OP do what makes you happy. Try them out if you can. Go to a store with them and feel for the action and trigger. I'm pretty sure you will quickly determine yourself which one you wil prefer.

:cheers:
 
Buy the Savage and never look back. It will shoot the factory Federal 69 SMK Gold Match <MOA and hand loads even better. I use one for a yote gun. It has many upgrade abilities as does the Remy. However as a former LEO I've watched the Remington rifle quality fall to the point my former agencies no longer use them.
 
Good luck with your choice. Rem vs Savage is kind of a hot button issue.

I really hope you can try them out or at least hold/examine and decide for yourself which better suits you.

Having said that I didn't care for the Accu-trigger but I didn't keep the Rem trigger either.
 
Manitobabloodfart said:
I would go with a savage over a remington after owning a remington and selling it, the savage is a better rifle in my mind out of the box
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I couldn't have said it better. Having owned a Savage HS Precision, then a 700 LTR and now back to a Savage 10PC all in 308. Wasn't impressed by the 700 at all. Sure as a basic rifle the 700 is good but then all the after market stuff will make you bankrupt. Savage gets my nod.
 
Exactly and when you buy a savage now your getting those upgrades with the aluminum bedded stock enlarged bolt knob and thats just factory out of the box you would spend at least another 500 bucks for those with a remington
 
romurra said:
I have the remington 700 sps tactical in 223, and the fcp-k in 308. they are both great, but the fcp-k gets the nod for a better stock. As far as accuracy, about equal. Both await a better shooter than me to reveal their full potential, but I find the under 1" groups I do get with either at 100M gratifying.

The sps tactical is much handier, with a 20" barrel. The hogue stock is a bit 'flexy', and not great on a bipod. I found it too 'grippy' (almost sticky) and treated it with armor all to reduce the stickiness (which worked). I am considering restocking to something stiffer. It shoots much better with 68 gr projectiles than the 55 gr for me. I have not tried anything really light, like 40 gr yet. It is much lighter than the fcp-k, but on the bench you don't notice.

The fcp-k is bipod ready, which is nice, and the accu-stock - accu-trigger combo is great. I like the detachable mag too, but that's just me. 165-168 gr seems to perform the best, but the difference in performance between bullet weights is not as pronounced as it is in the remington in 223. The brake is effective, but when I shoot it I am glad I am behind it, not beside it.

For pure target shooting I do prefer the 308. The brake on the fcp-k, combined with the weight of the gun, makes recoil pretty tame. When hand loading, the larger selection of bullets is great, and the larger case allows more precision in powder charges. Yes, it costs more, but for target shooting it is not that many rounds in a range trip for me and I can suck it up. There is also a much greater variety of factory ammo to play with in 308, including some truly great off the shelf match ammo. In the case of the 223, not so much ammo variety and availability of different types is spotty, at least where I live. For the 223 I have not found a truly great off the shelf round yet, but it does well with hand loads.
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Romurra, thank you for taking the time to write the comparison, I really appreciate it.
 
Manitobabloodfart said:
Let me guess the guy that started this thread bought a Tikka lol
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Nope lol. Too cheap to buy one.

I'm still reading and researching. I'm hoping to go shopping this weekend. I'm leaning towards the Savage, however Romurra has me considering 308 instead of .223... Typically I'm a buy fist ask questions later sort of guy, I'm trying to change that. Funds are not as abundant, as my family grows in numbers. With another Baby on the way, there needs to be some consideration.

The real truth is that either of the 2 guns will out shoot me.. but like anything, if I don’t enjoy touching it..what’s the point.
 
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In The Black said:
Nope lol. Too cheap to buy one.

I'm still reading and researching. I'm hoping to go shopping this weekend. I'm leaving towards the Savage, however Romurra has me considering 308 instead of .223... Typically I'm a buy fist ask questions later sort of guy, I'm trying to change that. Funds are not as abundant, as my family grows in numbers. With another Baby on the way, there needs to be some consideration.

The real truth is that either of the 2 guns will out shoot me.. but like anything, if I don’t enjoy touching it..what’s the point.
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If all you're going to do is target shoot then why wouldn't you go with the more economical cartridge? You'll lose nothing in terms of accuracy shooting .223 over .308. If you plan on eventually reloading, you can make very accurate ammo for about the same price as you can buy good quality bulk ammo for.

If you're stuck on Savage, go with the Precision Carbine model. It's lighter, handles easier, and likely less money than the one you mentioned at the beginning of this thread. It's still upwards to $200 more than the SPS 700 so keep that in mind.
 
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