Rem 700 Target Tactical

[srt4u2nv]

I think the drift of Ian's post was that this is the Precision forum where you expect precision results, 1/4 moa etc. Most people don't achieve that with out spending some money, cutting corners usually cuts results.
I believe that the gist of this forum was talking about the Ferrari's of the rifle world.
If your happy with a fiero with a ferrari body than that's fine but you'd prob. talk about it in a different forum. It's assumed people in the precision forum actually want precision.

M.

Whats precision to you and Ian may not be precision to me or many others on this forum......A Precision rifle to Ian obviously are Fclass rifles only seeing as thats the argument he throws out every time some one mentions Savage or Stevens. But didn't Savage recently sweep the Fclass nationals in the UK with factory rifles?.......They can't be that bad then can they!.

I shot a 3/4" 3round group @200yds with my factory Savage BVSS .22-250 today and it has nothing done to it to improve accuracy what so ever. I'm still working on loads and I am still at factory OAL. I'm sure once I get my loads right and start playing with seating depth the groups will tighten up some more. Also all my shooting is done prone with a bi-pod and the stock supported on my shoulder no sand bags or bench to me thats Precision.....but but but wait its not a "precision rifle" according to some people cause a precision rifle has to be a Remington and has to have $1000 in gun smithing done to get those results .....lol.....

 

[iconfig]

because we all know savages shoot 1/4 moa groups with no truing or tuning at 800 yards with 90 mph winds at dusk with a 100 dollars worth of optics.


anyways to add on to what Obtunded has said, sure you might get a factory rem or factory savage to shoot 0.375 moa groups once in a blue moon but consistency and repeatability are the 2 main things in precision rifles. ill take a custom rifle that will hold .5 moa all day long over a factory rifle that might hit 0.375 moa once a month

 

[RPgunguy]

Ok, well, still no one has responded that has actually seen a 700 target tactical in action, (FYI for those who didn't know) it has the fabled 5R rifling, so let's presume it'll shoot .5 MOA with a little tuning, great handloads, ideal conditions, 50% of the time. (with or without flaking paint, sandbags on the back, bipod on the front, Leupold on top, and less than 3 coffees in the guy jerking the trigger).
Yes I've heard that savage has been putting out some good stuff, I've seen them do very well with cheap optics, consistently - not necessarily. Sorry fans of Savage, I'm just not sold on them - I've felt-up a couple at the store, and they just don't do it for me - they're not on my list at all. And this is off topic from my question anyway.
I have been shooting (for the past 11 years) a Musgrave with custom cryo-treated Madco barrel, and was happily shooting .25 MOA all day every day, including both DCRA full-bore and F-class for one season (years ago), until about last year the groups have opened to about 2 MOA at as close as 100 yards. This barrel has at least 5,000 rounds through it - perhaps as high as 10,000 (It used to belong to a competitive shooter), point being it has had its day. I had been looking for rebarreling, and had been hitting a brickwall as far as anyone to do it, therefore looking for a suitable replacement....
YEAH! Looks like I may have found a 'smith to rebarrel (thanks Ian) so that will be my first option.
Still, I'd love to hear about actual results from a Rem 700 Target Tactical - I may convince a new shooter friend to get into one, for a start, and have him rebarrel it once he's gained some experience and shot out the barrel.
Cheers all!

 

[srt4u2nv]

because we all know savages shoot 1/4 moa groups with no truing or tuning at 800 yards with 90 mph winds at dusk with a 100 dollars worth of optics.


anyways to add on to what Obtunded has said, sure you might get a factory rem or factory savage to shoot 0.375 moa groups once in a blue moon but consistency and repeatability are the 2 main things in precision rifles. ill take a custom rifle that will hold .5 moa all day long over a factory rifle that might hit 0.375 moa once a month

Hope thats not directed at me my scope is worth a few hundred bones more then my rifle and my range performance can be confirmed by beaverfur.

As to the second part I recommended a custom rifle as well

 

[mikeelliot]

$2000 at WSS?

I would buy a 700P or LTR and screw on a new Match tube instead.

 

[Goose25]

Ok, well, still no one has responded that has actually seen a 700 target tactical in action, (FYI for those who didn't know) it has the fabled 5R rifling, so let's presume it'll shoot .5 MOA with a little tuning, great handloads, ideal conditions, 50% of the time. (with or without flaking paint, sandbags on the back, bipod on the front, Leupold on top, and less than 3 coffees in the guy jerking the trigger).
Yes I've heard that savage has been putting out some good stuff, I've seen them do very well with cheap optics, consistently - not necessarily. Sorry fans of Savage, I'm just not sold on them - I've felt-up a couple at the store, and they just don't do it for me - they're not on my list at all. And this is off topic from my question anyway.
I have been shooting (for the past 11 years) a Musgrave with custom cryo-treated Madco barrel, and was happily shooting .25 MOA all day every day, including both DCRA full-bore and F-class for one season (years ago), until about last year the groups have opened to about 2 MOA at as close as 100 yards. This barrel has at least 5,000 rounds through it - perhaps as high as 10,000 (It used to belong to a competitive shooter), point being it has had its day. I had been looking for rebarreling, and had been hitting a brickwall as far as anyone to do it, therefore looking for a suitable replacement....
YEAH! Looks like I may have found a 'smith to rebarrel (thanks Ian) so that will be my first option.
Still, I'd love to hear about actual results from a Rem 700 Target Tactical - I may convince a new shooter friend to get into one, for a start, and have him rebarrel it once he's gained some experience and shot out the barrel.
Cheers all!

If you've already got your mind made up, what's the point of trying to point you in the right direction?

I don't actually own the remington target tactical (the name alone would make me feel like a poser), I do own a very similar rifle though. I bought a remington SPS Varmint (.243) had a badger bolt knob installed, dropped it into the same B&C stock, added a EGW picatinny rail and I have a falcon FFP 5.5x25-56mm sitting on top. I'm currently waiting for my Krieger 6.5mm (.260rem) with 5R rifling to arrive from Ian. I've also added a mag Xtender for extra mag capacity.

here's a breakdown of what this gun cost me to my door:

rem700 sps-v 686$
B&C Medalist 470$
badger bolt & install 100$
Krieger barrel 490$

total of 1746$, I have more than enought to have a smith do a rebarrel job and still be less expensive than your factory gun.

A factory rifle can shoot nice little groups once and a while, but it's not something you can count on.


ALL 5 SHOT GROUPS @ 100M

Here's a group I shot with the factory barrel SPS-V mentionned above (.243). BTW, this barel will be up for sale in the EE shortly.

here's a group I shot with my .308 Stevens 200

and finally another itty bitty group I shot with my Tikka T3 .30-06

You'd have to be a silly bastard to think you can repeat these types of groups on demand with a factory gun. Bottom line is, if you want something worth bragging about, if you want something that can shoot lights out, then a custom rifle is the only way to go.

 

[RPgunguy]

Goose, THANK YOU! I like the arguement with the quantifiable back-up, photos showing the end result that looks just as good (sorry, better than!) as the off-the-shelf product and without the dismay of having the "poser-name" LOL! So, after the rebuild & resurrection of the Musgrave, we'll see about building up a custom Rem for my buddy (that looks tacticool and as a bonus performs).

 

[rnbra-shooter]

But didn't Savage recently sweep the Fclass nationals in the UK with factory rifles?.......They can't be that bad then can they!.

It was the 2009 World F-Class Championship, fired in July at Bisley (next FCWC is 2013 in Raton, NM, USA; the captain of the Canadian team to 2013-FCWC is a well-known gunnutz contributor). In the "F-Restricted" class (now known as "F-TR"), the USA Team Savage did very well, winning the F-Restricted team match (.pdf). The Team Savage guys tell us, and I have no reason to not believe what they say, that the rifles they shoot are indeed factory rifles.


Goose25 - you are making a mistake measuring your groups. They are smaller than you are claiming ;-) You should measure from centre-to-centre of the shot holes (or equivalently, from the near edge of one shot to the far edge of another). With really tight little groups like the ones you show, it can be easier to measure outside-to-outside and then subtract a bullet diameter. Or with digital calipers, put a bullet in your calipers, zero that, and then put the calipers on your group outside edge to outside edge, and the display will directly read your group size. So your first group, showing "504" on your calipers, is actually a .261" 5-shot group at 100m (wow!). Your middle picture with the dime looks like another quarter-minute group to me. Your final .30-06 group reading 620 is actually 0.312". (FWIW while I have shot groups like those on occasion, what I can consistently shoot with a good target rifle is quite a bit bigger than those).

 

[sin]

In December I bought a Rem 700 SPS tactical in .223 at the Brandon gunshow. Today I had to bring it back to the dealer. The bolt was hard to close, there were scratches on the brass after ejection and the case shoulder was dented. When he inspected it with a bore scope it had rust in the bore. This was brand new rifle and I hadn't fired a shot with it. The dealer said he has several SPS's returned with bad ejectors and chambers. Poor QC from Remington. Long story short, He refunded me my cash. Kudos to Jo Brook Firearms in Brandon. Excellent service from them. Remington not so much. This is the 2nd Remmy I've had chamber issues with.

See my post....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413449

 

[babyboom]

This rifle is far greater than the sum of all its parts, and has a plain old cheap factory barrel to boot.

Consider this:

Remington 700 SPS: $800 THE very same action
Krieger Stainless match barrel: $420-440 Barrel 100 times better than the Remington factory pipe.
B&C Stock :$400 THE very same stock
Gunsmithing, including full accurizing, bedding, proper match chamber, crowning, barrel install, and trigger adjustment: $600




i was just wondering were i could find that stock for 400$ if anybody could help me???

 

[sin]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3939444#post3939444


DaveM,
are you seriously gonna copy/paste that on every "i wanna buy a remington" thread?
you and SIN should get together and talk.

LMAO......Bad Rem 700 Club??

 

[sin]

Goose25 Not posted to offend anybody, First post in this forum Don't know who SIN is. Posted here once i figured out it was repeated. Deleted other post. My bad I'll go elsewhere.

Its it Me...Iam Sin, and Iam Remington's major Investor.....I buy guns that doesnt work..

 

[sin]

Brand new Rem 700 rifle, UNFIRED.

M.

Not cool..not cool..

Sorry to see that, mine remy has issues with chambering and stuff, but that is very bad..