Rem 7615 rifle for IPSC?

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Maybe this is a dumb question but...

Would a Rem 7615 pump rifle with a legal 20 or 30 round magazine be legal in IPSC or other action/tactical competitions?

What would be the disadvantages or advantages (if any)?
 
Anyone know what magazines Epp's is providing with these 7615's.

If they are all 5 rounders then I don't think that many people are going to spring for a $900 5 shot .223 pump, despite the ghost ring sights.
 
The "Perfect Patrol Rifle": You Get What You Pay F

Sure the tarrif is STIFF for the pump Remington in .223 but in my opinion it is the "quentissential patrol rifle". Thirty years ago I got a Remington 760 carbine in .308; with four mags it was my moose-patrol rifle for life in NWOntario. With moderate velocity 1800 fps cast bullet loads it was very accurate to 200 metres and very fast on repeat shots.
The .308 has a wide range of bullet wts; the .280 Remington chambering takes it out to 700 metres IF your scope mount/scope combo can handle it.
I had a lot of fun shooting my 760 carbine in 308 at 500 metres one summer. I put a Weaver 3x9 on it and cranked up the elevation to the max. At that distance it would shoot a five shot group within a one foot circle with FN 1970's ball ammo.

A .223 chambering would be easy to feed and very accurate.non existent recoil eh!
My solution to what appears to be a "nonexistent problem" other than the $1000 price tag would be to find a "used but not abused" 7600 in .243 and equipit with Williams sights for IPSC Match work IF there is really going to be any shooting beyond 30-30 range..that is beyond 150 metres in an IPSC Rifle Match.
The .223 will take you out to 500 metres or more with iron sights.

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Ok,...It is about time to set things straight with this rifle.

My local dealer is saying it is totally legal for me to have 30 round AR mag with this gun. Even though I own a AR. He is saying he contacted CFC and gave the exact senario... no problem as long as you say high caps are only for remington.

I had my reservations.

But he is saying it is all legit to have high caps with the remi so long as the high caps are not intended for the AR. I will call the CFC on Monday and ask for a written document approving such possession.

Local dealer sold the 7615 with 30 round AR mags.

Imput anyone????????
 
badboybeeson said:
how many times.............................................................

No ar15s mags in this gun!!!
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Are you a judge? Has this been challenged in court? Until then, it's open to speculation.... :wink:
 
I am still waiting on word from the CFC for myself.

redberet said:
Its open to speculation EXACTLY...

Now shut up so it stays that way...
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Unless you are offering to pay for my legal defence... I would much rather get an official word from CFC (in writting) than buy this gun on someone elses word of it being legal or not for so called "high capacity" mags.

Like I posted earlier... local dealer is confirming that it IS legal with +5 round mags... I just like to hear it form the horses mouth.
 
Even if you get an answer from CFC it'll still only be a bureaucrat's opinion, not that of a judge in a court of law. And until a judge makes a ruling and thereby setting a precident, it's all conjecture. Furthermore, given the government's reluctance to lay a charge under the Firearms Act, it way be a while until we get a definitive answer. Until then...... :?
 
geologist said:
Maybe this is a dumb question but...

Would a Rem 7615 pump rifle with a legal 20 or 30 round magazine be legal in IPSC or other action/tactical competitions?

What would be the disadvantages or advantages (if any)?
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The mag would have to be altered so it cannot fit an AR. If you have a 30rd mag that fits an AR, well lets not go there. Go ahead and use an AR mag for it, just be sure its pinned.
 
2Filthy said:
no problem as long as you say high caps are only for remington.
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The law says: "designed for". The mags for the Remington 7615P were designed for the AR-15, so they have to be limited to 5 rounds. I've just been through all this BS with the CFC over the mags for my L98A1, which is a bolt-action version of the SA80, and when after much effort I actually got hold of someone who had a clue, I was told they had to be limited to 5 rounds. It depends on what the magazine was "designed for" use with, not what it is being used with.

There's also recently been a rule introduced in Queensland (okay, not Canada I know) that's along these lines. http://www.acgq.org/pages/news_commentary.html

Even says so on their website:

Remington Arms website said:
The Model 7615P comes in .223 Remington caliber, uses standard M16/AR15 style magazines and has a 16 1/2" barrel. Also, transition from the Model 870 Pump shotgun into this patrol rifle is easily accomplished.
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http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm
 
Steve has summed it up nicely. Frankly, I'd love to see the CFC commit in writting that this pump gun is good to go with standard mags, but I can't see it happening.

The day we get the CFC to commit in writting that the gun is legal with 30 round mags that also happen to fit the AR, I'll buy a gun and a case of mags.

The way I read the law, until this gun has a mag designed for it, or a dedicated mag made for it, we will be stuck with pinned 5 round AR-15 mags.
 
fix it

Hmmmmm....I can't see why one couldn't take a standard Ar mag, and convert it in some way that it would ONLY work in a 7615. Like putting a large head of a rivet on the outside of the mag body, so it won't seat in a AR. That should fill the bill if there was some concern. If it doesn't work at all in a AR and does in a 7615, then it is INTENDED for a 7615. I think INTENT should play into this evaluation. If you own an AR and intend to screw around and use hi cap mags in it, a person will find a way, and obviously their intent is subject to question. A guy who uses a mag in his 7615 and modifies it in a manner that won't allow it to be fired in a AR is going above and behind to alleviate any accusation of wrongdoing. Honest people will be honest. Snakes will slither in the grass...... :roll:
 
2Filthy said:
I am still waiting on word from the CFC for myself.

redberet said:
Its open to speculation EXACTLY...

Now shut up so it stays that way...
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Unless you are offering to pay for my legal defence... I would much rather get an official word from CFC (in writting) than buy this gun on someone elses word of it being legal or not for so called "high capacity" mags.

Like I posted earlier... local dealer is confirming that it IS legal with +5 round mags... I just like to hear it form the horses mouth.
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If you don't want to take the risk, dont buy mags over 5 its that freaking simple, but don't mess it over for everyone else... My goodness do you really think the CFC will let it stand like that if you start making a big stink about it... I truly doubt the CFC will ever issue a letter saying 30rnders are legal, they will do everything in their power to keep us from getting 30 rounders... The CFC is not your friend, some day you'll figure that out. They have already tried to make your Mini 14s and G22s prohib and now you are just asking for them to make another ludicrous ruling. Honestly Shut up already! The worst thing you could possibly do is bring attention to it by posting on a forum...
 
Buy a Beretta storm. All the stages are set up for 5 rounds, so 10 dominates. Light enough to run like the wind with, and controls jsut like a pistol. Sweet.

Cue Stormbringer to ask what happens with those 300 yard shots.... My rebuttal question would be to ask who won the rifle at the EESA 3 gun :)
 
Bartledan said:
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Cue Stormbringer to ask what happens with those 300 yard shots.... My rebuttal question would be to ask who won the rifle at the EESA 3 gun :)
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Well the results are not in yet.................

Not to mention the longest shot was a paltry 75 m at this weekends shoot...........

If we ever do another 3 gun I doubt I will be that nice..........LOL :wink:
 
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