Rem 7615 rifle for IPSC?

stormbringer said:
Bartledan said:
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Cue Stormbringer to ask what happens with those 300 yard shots.... My rebuttal question would be to ask who won the rifle at the EESA 3 gun :)
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Well the results are not in yet.................

Not to mention the longest shot was a paltry 75 m at this weekends shoot...........

If we ever do another 3 gun I doubt I will be that nice..........LOL :wink:
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I love you, man. :) That was a great match. Thanks alot, brother.

Dan
 
Damn................

Picture me eating my words.......

The Bartleman comes out on top ...............FOR OPEN!!


Of course some other GREAT SHOT came out on top for Standard!! and won the Standard Tournament.

Results sumbited and should be up soon.
 
Oh, imagine my surprise that me shooting production for pistol didn't win the open tournament (especially with SR classed open overall, too).

Let me guess: SR won the open tournament, and the Standard pistol, followed by Quigley.

Hey, Storm: Your boy OK?
 
SR won Tournament Open Division


Some Filthy bastard beat me for STD Division by like .19 POINTS!!!

If only I did not have that FTE on the handgun stage!!!!!!

ARGGGGG

Of course he also has a division all to himself for shotgun giving him 100% Hmmm me thinks there are some holes in the tournament methodolgy
 
Back to the 5-30 round mag issue with the Remington;
(Sorry I'm late - just got back from vacation.)

Got to agree with Steve -

FWIW, after seeing this gun at SHOT this year in January, I contacted the same weapons techs at the CFC that assured me that the 10 round magazine was OK with a mechtech and that the 3.9" barrelled STInger was legal for import and resale.
(I too thought that this would make an excellent 3 gun rifle with a loophole)

Their answer was that this rifle uses AR-15 magazines and by definition, AR-15 mags are not legal if they hold more than 5 rounds. So the rifle is OK - it's the mags you cannot get. (unless you buy 5 rounders)

I chose at that time, not to order the rifle for resale. (It's not as good as an AR otherwise) I'm not giving my opinion on law, nor am I condoning this. I'm just letting you know what I know so you can make your own informed decision about the rifle.
 
stormbringer said:
SR won Tournament Open Division


Some Filthy bastard beat me for STD Division by like .19 POINTS!!!

If only I did not have that FTE on the handgun stage!!!!!!

ARGGGGG

Of course he also has a division all to himself for shotgun giving him 100% Hmmm me thinks there are some holes in the tournament methodolgy
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Should have lumped the rifle and shotgun all in one division, like at the EOHC 3 gun.

Of course, my opinion on that one might be coming from a particular direction :)
 
Bartledan said:
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Should have lumped the rifle and shotgun all in one division, like at the EOHC 3 gun.

Of course, my opinion on that one might be coming from a particular direction :)
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But that is not fair either............

I do not see a way to make it fair to everyone. The way we did it at least you can win your divisions on the merrit of the firearm you use. Its just when you go to calculate tournaments that things get messed up.
 
You're 100% right. I was only alluding to my "victory" in the open rifle div. In case anyone was wondering, I'll be chirping about that for a while :)

The only way to lump everyone together would be to have some kind of "handicap" system... and that cannot exist, at least not in any form that people could agree on.

I'm just looking at them separately. I did good compared to myself in the rifle. I have a sneaking suspicion I did good compared to myself in the pistol. My grandmother, after taking half a bottle of Rohypnol could have beaten me in the shotgun.

You did a great job, Storm. It was a terrific tournament.

I've got to quit shooting production. I'm shooting pretty good, but the matches are never classifiers!
 
buffhuntr said:
This post is supposed to be about the 7615. Use your private messages for discussion. :shock:
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The 7615 in IPSC rifle, being discussed in the "Action Shooting Games" forum. So happens there was an IPSC 3 gun competition held last weekend, and we are discussing who won what, using what. I'd say it's pertinent.

I think I'll send you a PM suggesting you buy your underpants a size or two bigger. Uptight, much?
 
You are hijacking the thread, and not contributing to the post. Thanks but I'm not uptight, I just wanted to read something pertinent to the post...and not your bull####. But thanks again.
 
buffhuntr said:
You are hijacking the thread, and not contributing to the post. Thanks but I'm not uptight, I just wanted to read something pertinent to the post...and not your bull####. But thanks again.
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Well, have you heard how a pistol caliber carbine dominates IPSC rifle stages at sub 100m ranges, due to it's 10 round mags? Have you heard how the 7615 might be allowed to use mags having a greater than 5 round capacity?

Do you understand how the performance of a rifle having greater than 5 round capacity might be extended to describe the performance of another rifle having a greater than 5 round capacity?

Do you understand that Stormbringer and I differ on the degree of advantage a 10 vs. 5 round capacity confers, given the different range capabilities ofthe cartridges? Do you understand that this discussion could be pertinent to the discussion of a rifle using the long range cartridge, with the capacity of the short range, higher capacity rifle, but suffereing rom an inherently slow action?

Do you understand that this thread has been hijacked only in your overly uptight opinion, to which you are entitled? Do you understand that I am entitled to the opinion that your opinion is completely wrong?

Have a nice day.
 
buffhuntr said:
You are hijacking the thread, and not contributing to the post. Thanks but I'm not uptight, I just wanted to read something pertinent to the post...and not your bull####. But thanks again.
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You know how when you come to an intersection at the same time as another car, the one to the right has the right of way???

In general, the poster with the higher posting count deserves some consideration, unless the mods see a problem.
 
Re: fix it

This thread was hijacked plain and simple.

Modifing an AR15 mag so it would only fit in a 7615 would suffice. Question is, how?
 
The law says: "designed for". The mags for the Remington 7615P were designed for the AR-15, so they have to be limited to 5 rounds. I've just been through all this BS with the CFC over the mags for my L98A1, which is a bolt-action version of the SA80, and when after much effort I actually got hold of someone who had a clue, I was told they had to be limited to 5 rounds. It depends on what the magazine was "designed for" use with, not what it is being used with.
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Where this gets fouled up is a magazine needs to meet two criteria to be subject to restriction. The first one, as Steve said, is it must be "originally designed for use in a semi-automatic" long gun. No question here, these magazines were originally made for semis.

However, there is a second criterion, and the magazine must meet both to be subject to restriction. The second criterion is that the magazine must be "designed and manufactured" for use in a semi.

If I have a 7615P show up at my door, and in the box with it is a 30 round magazine that is marked to the effect of "Rem 7615P" I think it would be very valid to say that the magazine in question was "designed and manufactured" for use in a pump gun, thus failing the second test and not being subject to restriction.

However, I am not a judge, so I don't get to make that decision.
 
Dragoon said:
EXACTLY! Until a judge makes a decision, in a court of law, we're all blowing hot air.....
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The only point I would make here is that if you phone up the CFC and ask a stupid question, you will get a stupid answer. It took me ages to get hold of a forensics guy who actually knew what he was talking about (it must have been the best part of a year).

Now why was it so hard to get hold of him? Because he spends a lot of his time in court testifying about firearms in firearm-related cases. So in other words, when you say: "until a court decides", the decision will be made with the testimony of the person who told me that in mind.

I have to say I do think a lot of legal interpretations are total BS, ATF are famous in the US for coming up with legal interpretations that wouldn't last two seconds in court, but if (a) I read the law and (b) the bureaucrat in question confirms what it appears to say, I'm not going to be putting my neck on the chopping block to find out if he's wrong...
 
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