Hmmm thats unfortunate that such a solid, reputable company is doing things like this. I love Remington but not when theyre cutting corners. I love the way the 870 Express Tactical looks right out of the box too, I strongly considered it before going with the Benelli. I bet that porous black oxide would take arma-coat pretty well. I'm thinking about trying some VHT ceramic coating. It comes in a spray can for about $15 at crappy tire, so I tried it out on the heatshield on my '85 tri-z. Its suppossed to be good to 2000 degrees farenheit when properly cured, its very oil resistant and VERY tough. After many heat cycles it was definetely cured so I grabbed a wheel bearing race that I just pulled out of another trike and used the sharp edge to try and gouge the finish. I used pressure that would have left a nasty mark in aluminum and it barely left a mark on the coating. Now I just need a gun cheap enough to test it on...oh and after a year of riding there is no rust on the heatshield, no chips in it. It sits right behind the front tire and has been subjected to all kinds of mud, water, gravel and dust at over 100 km/h. I didnt even prime it, just stripped it to bare metal with a wire wheel!
Rem 870 Express Tactical vs Benelli Super Nova Tactical
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Benelli SNT has no issue with pinched fingers.
Loading gate stays open, the length for the 3.5 makes loading shorter stuff a breeze.
These 14" guns are just chopped as the barrel still has 18.5 stamped on it.
Options for SNT are basically an optic.
While the 870 is never ending... like the AR of shotguns
Not to mention it looks much better.
Loading gate stays open, the length for the 3.5 makes loading shorter stuff a breeze.
These 14" guns are just chopped as the barrel still has 18.5 stamped on it.
Options for SNT are basically an optic.
While the 870 is never ending... like the AR of shotguns
Not to mention it looks much better.
X2 you would be in possesion of a prohib in an LEO's eyes, no matter how factory the cut looks.
Nisser, the paint is flatter than the prairies, it has zero sheen to it whatsoever. I dont have parkerizing to compare it too but I'd geuss it comes close. De-mix I think you are right, it may be the semi's that bite back as my SNT has never attacked me.
What a confusing mess... I don't doubt the certificates correctly reflect the 14" length, but I'm sure the barrel being stamped 18.5" would create some headache at the very least if push came to shove. I'd hate to have to explain that one.
It might also explains why there are no 14" models listed on the Benelli site.
Hey, I want one. I'm not knocking anyone who has one. My lips are sealed
It'd be nice to know why they are stamped 18.5" is all I'm saying... if it had no stamp I'd have zero concern.
It might also explains why there are no 14" models listed on the Benelli site.
Hey, I want one. I'm not knocking anyone who has one. My lips are sealed
It'd be nice to know why they are stamped 18.5" is all I'm saying... if it had no stamp I'd have zero concern.
BigGreenMachine
Regular
- Location
- Newfoundland
Handled a 14" Supernova Tactical last week and it pointed and shouldered very nicely. It had the M4 style stock which I was very envious of and the sights are good enough for any shotgun.
I have the 18.5 inch Express Tactical and honestly don't think much about it having handled some nicer ones. The finish is cheap and I bought the non ghost ring version which are my only real complaints. The good is that it cycles anything and the barrel has screw in chokes. Not to mention you can always add everything you want later on. All I have left to add are some ghost ring sights and teflon coat it.
I also have a 14" Fabarm Martial Pro Forces which I cannot say enough about. It has everything I want and cycles so much smoother then my 870, its slick. Wish it had screw in chokes but I'll live.
If I were to buy a 870 Tactical now it would be the "870 A-Tacs." The camo finish it nice, the ghost rings are nice and has a rail for optics. The pistol grip stock points very nice and its easy to add your own touch.
Very nice gun and if I didn't have my 870 where it is now I'd buy one.
I have the 18.5 inch Express Tactical and honestly don't think much about it having handled some nicer ones. The finish is cheap and I bought the non ghost ring version which are my only real complaints. The good is that it cycles anything and the barrel has screw in chokes. Not to mention you can always add everything you want later on. All I have left to add are some ghost ring sights and teflon coat it.
I also have a 14" Fabarm Martial Pro Forces which I cannot say enough about. It has everything I want and cycles so much smoother then my 870, its slick. Wish it had screw in chokes but I'll live.
If I were to buy a 870 Tactical now it would be the "870 A-Tacs." The camo finish it nice, the ghost rings are nice and has a rail for optics. The pistol grip stock points very nice and its easy to add your own touch.
Very nice gun and if I didn't have my 870 where it is now I'd buy one.
There is no comparison. Hands down the supernova is a better weapon. You wanna gun that is going to last you forever, then buy a supernova, you wanna gun that you will have to baby to get a lifetime out of it, buy an 870. Just my 10 Cents. I have both. Supernova has next to half the kick of the 870 as well. For you none tac guys, if you have the choice between Nova and Supernova, pay the extra for the Super, recoil is half. If you one who gets a thrill out of a sore shoulder then cheap out.
Cheers
Cheers
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- Western BC
It's not a fair comparison. You should be looking at the 870P, it much better than the Express. There are important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns:
"The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform. While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.
* 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
* All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
* All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
* Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
* A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
* A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
* Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
* The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
* The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
* The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
* The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
* The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
* Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models."
Having said that, I bought a Mossberg.
"The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform. While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.
* 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
* All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
* All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
* Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
* A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
* A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
* Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
* The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
* The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
* The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
* The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
* The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
* Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models."
Having said that, I bought a Mossberg.
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this is a good read...thanks for the information. I would like to throw a remington M887 tactical into the mix,...just because of the different bolt design, Benelli like look to it, and all the stuff it comes with...(ie: better bolt release, top rail, and forend barrel clamp rail, and ported muzzle brake/breach like piece) I am seriously thinking of getting one.
sametwinnie
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lotbiniere
Just get a Fabarm martial pro forces 14''
It will do everything you want and in my opinion, is the best handling shotgun ever...but it's just me!
It will do everything you want and in my opinion, is the best handling shotgun ever...but it's just me!
If you are planning on using this for IPSC 3 Gun, the ported Muzzle Brake/Choke will put you in Open......thought I would throw that out there for you to contemplate!
I would like to get my hands on one of these as well to see how they handle!
correct me if iam wrong but with the barrel being marked as 18.5 would this not cause concern because legally you cant cut a barrel down less than 18.5 that has been made already,and being it is a cut down barrel i guess there is not enough meat to have the 14 inch super nova threaded for choke tubs
Jamie Frost
Regular
- Location
- Calgary AB
Only if theyre on an autoloader. Manually operating the action lets the evil evaporate between shots, which actually helps clean the air
Could somebody post a pic of the barrel markings on a 14" Nova/SN? From my understanding, not even a gunsmith can shorten a barrel under legal limit? It just sounds like a can of worms if an LEO were to check it out.
