rem 870 wingmaster police?

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i bought this yesterday and i was told it was a ex-granby,Qc.police shotgun.it's got the remington "for law enforcment only" top folding stock(still have the factory rubber pad).i don't know much about shotguns so my question is:how can you tell if it's a police shotgun or not? and how much should i have paid for this one.
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If it was a police shotgun i would expect it to show a lot more wear, and that's in really nice shape. Police and security firm shotguns generally get handled a lot and shot little unless it's specifically for training. I wouldn't worry about it in any case, because like I said it's in really nice shape. Don't know much about how the police shotguns are stamped and your picture is hard to read, but it looks like wingmaster on the sidee
 
its probably just a wingmaster model designated for police use. one for sale in the ee reg wood stock, 20" barrel, bead site, almost mind cond for 350. id buy it myself if i didnt already own the exact same gun. those folding stocks arent worth anything to me but someone else is a different story. i own 2 wingmasters and they are great guns, a cut above the reg 870s in my opinion.

dan
 
At one time, most 870s had "Wingmaster" stamped on them, including police-type configurations. I think the receiver markings for LE models started sometime after Remington standardized on 3" chambers for all 870s.
 
At one time, most 870s had "Wingmaster" stamped on them, including police-type configurations. I think the receiver markings for LE models started sometime after Remington standardized on 3" chambers for all 870s.
Pretty much correct. Some of the police configurations weren't marked "Police" or "Wingmaster." I have a blued 870 Police marked "870 Magum" that came with a 18.5" cylinder barrel and was designated an "870 Police" on the factory box.
 
You were lied to...

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Not necessarily - you have one marked "Police", does that make you a police officer???

When I was heavily involved in volunteer work with the OPP there was not one 870 in any of the 4 detachments that I worked out of that was marked as "Police" - all were marked as Magnum or Wingmaster. The city PD that one of my best friends is the armourer for has not a single 870 marked as police either, including their 4 versions that are 14"-ers...
 
I would tend to agree that it is a Police Model, judging by the folding stock and the forearm configuration. The shorter grooved forearms were only used on the Police models as far as I know...

Here are some differences directly from the Remington LE division, this information is a few years old and with the current QC issues at Remington I am not sure if this is still valid:

1) They go through a special 23 station check list.

2) They are assembled in a "special build area" which only build LE and Military Shotguns

3) All parts are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

4) All Police guns have a longer magazine spring to ensure positve feeding.

5) A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 pounds.

6) A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures postive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

There are a bunch of other subtle differences, but these are the key ones.

If I had a scanner handy I would scan the whole document. This comes straight from an LE shotgun training manual.
 
The "FlexiTab" was added to all 870's in the 90's, so it isn't a telling feature. It was made available as an upgrade kit that consited of a new Breach Bolt Assembly, Slide Assembly (Locking Block) and a New Carrier Assembly.... Part Number 93340 (black) and 93339 (chrome).
 
I just found a bunch of this stuff electronically, so here goes:



Technical Updates


Remington Model 870 "FlexiTab" Conversion Kit
In the past, misfed shells could render a shotgun nearly inoperable. Officers would have to slam the butt of the gun on the ground in order to open the action and remove the misfed round. In the 1990's, Remington introduced the M870 FlexiTab System to eliminate the possibility of a misfeed interfering with the normal and proper operation of our weapons.
Consisting of newly designed bolt, slide and carrier, the FlexiTab System works by stopping the misfed shell from wedging itself between the bolt and carrier and by allowing the bolt to clear the head of the misfed shell. Now in the event of a misfeed, your officers simply cycle the action like normal - no need to un-shoulder the weapon, no slamming the butt on the ground.
Remington offers your department a FlexiTab System Conversion Kit that includes all three (3) components at a substantial savings over ordering the parts individually. Convert your departments weapons today!


Part Order # Retail Dealer (22%) MSP (42%)
Carrier Assembly 102190 $17.95 $14.00 $10.41
Slide Assembly 92949 $19.65 $15.33 $11.40
Breech Bolt Assembly (Black) 22860 $93.10 $72.62 $53.99
Breech Bolt Assembly (Chrome) 30530 $93.10 $72.62 $53.99
Total Price If
Parts Are Ordered Separately $130.70 $101.95 $75.80
Total Price If
Ordered As Kit Black:93340
Chrome:93339 $80.00 $62.40 $46.40
 
Remington shotgun serial number structure


m/870 letter prefix

1950 to approx 1968: No serial number prefix
1968 to present: Letters used (in sequence)
s-68, t-74, v-78, w-84, x-90, a-91, b-94, c-97, d-01

letter suffix (designates gage)

v 12 ga. (2 3/4”)
m 12 ga. Magnum (3”)
a 12 ga. “super” magnum (3 ½”)
w 16 ga. ( 2 ¾” )
x 20 ga. “heavy frame” (discontinued)
n 20 ga. “heavy frame magnum” (discontinued)
k 20 ga. “light weight” (“lw”) (also includes m/1100 “lt”)
u 20 ga. Lw magnum (also includes m/1100 “lt”)
j 28 ga.
H .410 (2 ½” or 3”)

m/1100

letter prefix

1964 to approx. 1968: No serial number prefix
1968 to present: Letters used (in sequence)
l-68, m-74, n-78, p-85, r-90

letter suffix

same structure as the m/870

m/1187

letter prefix

1987 to present: “pc” 12 ga., 1999 “tl“ 20 ga.,
2000 “sm” super mag.

Letter suffix

no letter suffix on this m
 
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION

Important differences between Remington 870 Police
and 870 Express shotguns


The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.

While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
 
Not a problem! Almost thinking some of that info may be worthy of getting posted as a "sticky"

On a side note I came across some additional info on the length of a Police magazine spring. It should measure 19 to 20 inches in length and have the coils "close wound" on both ends. The stock civy springs seem to be 16 to 17 inches and "close wound" only on one end.
 
The list of differences between the Police models and Express don't necessarily apply to the older Police models. The receiver on mine is exactly the same as a Wingmaster of the same vintage (early 90's.) The wood that it came with was a plain birch stock and a forend that is identical to the one in the first post.
 
That gun has been reblued, you can see the dents and pitting under the bluing.
i have in my shop 20+ wingmasters that were made as police guns, all come with no frills police wood stock and factory 18 inch Cly marked bbls
when these guns were made there were no police magnums, so just the best built 870 remington had to offer at the time.
Many off them have been converted into 3" magnum.
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The shorter grooved forearms were only used on the Police models as far as I know...

870 Wingmasters were offered in a variety of configurations, with the plain-Jane base models having the short forend. Mine was made in 1974 and came with wood furniture similar to that on the modern 870Ps.
 
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